2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[Dejounte]

[DPG21920]

no. Lavine makes 43, 45, and 48 in the next three years and you're not even getting multiple picks for this? Absolutely not.

Keldon + Collins are making 35.5, 35 & 17 next 3 years. This off season literally seems irrelevant in terms of the extra 8M Zach would take up do you agree? If you think SA is going to use all of their cap space for players, then ok, but I dont think SA is going big personally and can operate over the cap as well.

Year 2, Lavine’s 10M could matter, but as it stands now, Spurs have tons of cap space that year so I really dont see it being a major obstacle functionally then either. Spurs have what, 80M committed in salaries that 2nd year?

Then Keldon and/or Lavine would just have that one year left and can easily reset that money right before Wemby extension even with Dev already locked up and Sochan too with Lavine off books.

So I guess the question is how valuable is an extra pick in 25 4-10 for what you are giving up in terms of cap space opportunities?

[spurraider21]

Fwiw Bassey guarantee for this season doesn’t kick in until August 1

[spurraider21]

If spurs had interest they woulda extended a QO

he gone imo

[Dejounte]

If spurs had interest they woulda extended a QO

he gone imo

I’m betting the Spurs didn’t anticipate the news to break through spotrac. Sportrac, I think, is linked to when their offers are submitted. I bet the Spurs wanted Woj to mention that they would still be interested in hopes other teams will be too.

[Mr. Body]

Go let Dom find his level in FA. He seems like a good dude and has more of a career ahead. I wouldn't be surprised to see him return.

IMO, however, there's a subtle shift going on. I think the Spurs are tired of long projects, guys who need to be taught fundamentals and be coaxed along. That was pre-Wemby stuff. Stephon Castle won't need to be taught how to set picks properly or flip them or slip them or whatever. He knows all this .

Not that they're going full-on expensive vet now. But that's how I read the draft. They don't want these Bambis who trip over themselves and are clueless. That was okay when your horizon is completely out of sight. Things are different now.

[Mr. Body]

Mamukelashvili, by contrast, knows how to play. Maybe has holes or weaknesses, but he gets the game.

[DPG21920]

Interesting. There seems to be room for Barlow and he seems to fit things well with regards to big, versatile etc…

[AFBlue]

What's the Champagnie situation? Do they need to tender him an offer to restrict?

[AFBlue]

Mamukelashvili, by contrast, knows how to play. Maybe has holes or weaknesses, but he gets the game.

Does seem to be a "this or that" situation on its face, given they extended the QO to Mamu

[DPG21920]

What's the Champagnie situation? Do they need to tender him an offer to restrict?

“No money guaranteed in 2024/25, HoopsHype has learned. Guarantee increases to full if not waived by August 1, 2024 or 30 days after the first day of the 2024-25 moratorium period.”

[Ariel]

IMO, however, there's a subtle shift going on. I think the Spurs are tired of long projects, guys who need to be taught fundamentals and be coaxed along. That was pre-Wemby stuff. Stephon Castle won't need to be taught how to set picks properly or flip them or slip them or whatever. He knows all this .

Not that they're going full-on expensive vet now. But that's how I read the draft. They don't want these Bambis who trip over themselves and are clueless. That was okay when your horizon is completely out of sight. Things are different now.

And yet they're rumored to have moved on from the pick because Salaun was taken at 6, and passed on Dillingham who is good enough to play immediately for a contender like Minnesota according to Tim Connelly and Finch, and Knecht who is good enough to play for the Lakers. Not convinced with this explanation either. Too many loose ends... time will tell.

[AFBlue]

“No money guaranteed in 2024/25, HoopsHype has learned. Guarantee increases to full if not waived by August 1, 2024 or 30 days after the first day of the 2024-25 moratorium period.”

Got it, so same as Bassey and Spurs have time. Good to know.

[Mr. Body]

And yet they're rumored to have moved on from the pick because Salaun was taken at 6, and passed on Dillingham who is good enough to play immediately for a contender like Minnesota according to Tim Connelly and Finch, and Knecht who is good enough to play for the Lakers. Not convinced with this explanation either. Too many loose ends... time will tell.

No, I'm right. You're misinterpreting.

Minnesota is full of vets who know what they're doing. Conley, Gobert, almost all of them. You can add a puppy dog into the mix and still have things work because the vets can cover their mistakes. Dillingham will have a limited role anyway in what he needs to do.

The Spurs have been trying to teach five puppy dogs how to be a functional team of sled dogs, each capable of making decisions while working as a whole, and that's incredibly hard to do. No one covers for anyone else's mistakes and they don't even know what the mistakes are, plus they're happening all the time.

The staff has even said it, that they have had to back up and teach the very basic fundamentals of this level of basketball.

This is all a big factor in what they're doing right now.

[DPG21920]

[spurraider21]

I’m betting the Spurs didn’t anticipate the news to break through spotrac. Sportrac, I think, is linked to when their offers are submitted. I bet the Spurs wanted Woj to mention that they would still be interested in hopes other teams will be too.

Can you elaborate on this lol. You can’t exactly keep it a secret whether you do or don’t offer a QO

[spurraider21]

What's the Champagnie situation? Do they need to tender him an offer to restrict?

He’s under contract. Nothing the spurs need to do. They can waive him and owe nothing since his guarantee for this season hasn’t triggered yet but no way they don’t retain him for 3 mil

[scott]

In perspective of trading 8. Hypothetical of course.

Disclaimer: I would have rather drafted Dilly or another player.

But let’s say 3-4 years from now we still need another piece to reach the next level. Dilly is averaging 17-18 and is a decent player but not a star or even knocking on all star level. The pick swap and 1st is easier to move than Dilly looking for an extension but only being a decent player. Especially in what is looking like a league that tends to over leverage itself with desperate contracts like the recent Anunoby contract etc.

Unprotected 1sts are easier to trade than a good but not great player coming off his rookie contract.

Not saying I agree or disagree but I get some of the logic.

This is one of the most logical justifications I’ve heard yet. I still think it is awfully presumptuous of the front office (they’re “skipping the step” of actually building a team that needs to trade for that important piece), but this does make sense to me.

I’ve been pretty consistent throughout this whole thing, I’m not even mad at the concept of trading out, I just think we got a terrible return on the #8 pick. The rockets gave back Brooklyn picks for other, future picks, at an exchange rate of 2:1, but we only got a 1:1 + a swap in a year we already had a swap. I just feel we could have done better, or made the pick. Oh well.

The punting of the 35 pick is actually what has me more concerned. For the second year in a row, the Spurs didn’t want to pick a guy who would require a guaranteed deal (even though it’s at SRP level money). This is just playing scared, IMO. If we start actually utilizing cap space in a way that this matters, I’ll change my tune, but we haven’t at any time in recent history and the penny pinching ignores the fact that we constantly go through dead money via buy outs.

[Dejounte]

Can you elaborate on this lol. You can’t exactly keep it a secret whether you do or don’t offer a QO

Like, I think the form gets submitted to league offices first for review or whatever before it reaches Barlow and his agent. I’m making a guess here based on what I know about administrative work.

[scott]

I know people are going to hate this but what if CHI said they would lower their pick protections to top 2 for the next 3 years on their 25 pick if SA took Lavine in for Keldon + Collins. Would anyone consider it?

It would be 2 years of potentially since obviously this year doesnt seem to matter cap wise and Collins+Keldon mostly cancel Lavine money out this year (and to a large part next year too). But that third year you are really on the hook but Lavine would be an expiring.

But honestly, since we’d be paying Keldon+Collins 35M a year for the first two years anyways, I would very much strongly consider it and hope that Zach can rehab that value.

IMO, this is a really good hypothetical because I go back and forth on it, there isn’t a clear slam dunk answer for either team.

For the Spurs, we get off a ty Collins deal, and move Keldon who I love but isn’t really a good fit. And it gives us some real legit cracks at high end talent. Love it. But I gotta feel that by Lavine’s last year (3 years from now) we’re gonna really hate having his deal on our books. If we aren’t competing enough to need that money/space by then (Wemby’s 4th year), then what the are we doing?

For Chicago, getting off Lavine is a godsend. However, this kind of prevents them from tanking and getting Keldon and Collins aren’t really moves that help them be even a play-in contender. It’s a real Sophie’s Choice scenario for them.

Love this scenario.

[spurraider21]

Like, I think the form gets submitted to league offices first for review or whatever before it reaches Barlow and his agent. I’m making a guess here based on what I know about administrative work.

I’m sure these guys are in contact with the agents and letting them know what’s up

[DPG21920]

IMO, this is a really good hypothetical because I go back and forth on it, there isn’t a clear slam dunk answer for either team.

For the Spurs, we get off a ty Collins deal, and move Keldon who I love but isn’t really a good fit. And it gives us some real legit cracks at high end talent. Love it. But I gotta feel that by Lavine’s last year (3 years from now) we’re gonna really hate having his deal on our books. If we aren’t competing enough to need that money/space by then (Wemby’s 4th year), then what the are we doing?

For Chicago, getting off Lavine is a godsend. However, this kind of prevents them from tanking and getting Keldon and Collins aren’t really moves that help them be even a play-in contender. It’s a real Sophie’s Choice scenario for them.

Love this scenario.

And why I like it for Spurs is that every year with Lavine is still completely cap friendly to add talent still. His money isn’t punitive for Spurs to build.

[scott]

For Spurs cap planning purposes, what do we assume Sochan’s extension look like assuming he stays on a subtle, yet stable upward trajectory (or , any trajectory you like)? My take is that he’s good enough to keep developing and will probably keep developing to a marginal starter/good rotation player kind of level. Not worth going out of your way to get rid of, but also not going to stop you from upgrading.

With that said, I’m not sure that’s worth more than extension of say… 4/64 (or basically, a little over MLE), which honestly might be the bottom range of getting an extension at all. He seems like he’s going to be just good enough where you don’t want to lose him… but not good enough to up your cap sheet for.

[scott]

And why I like it for Spurs is that every year with Lavine is still completely cap friendly to add talent still. His money isn’t punitive for Spurs to build.

IDK, that third year of Lavine at $48MM might be pretty damn punitive.

[DPG21920]