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Thak you for that...
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The Thunder are the big winners. They still own swap rights for the Clippers this year and the first next year. They made some other trades so hard to remember exactly what protections are around these all.
This is why trading the 8th pick in a bad draft for two lotto tickets in the future is worth it.
Thak you for that...
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I'm surprised I haven't seen it posted here yet...
Jesus, the pant ing that’s about to happen in here is going to be ridiculous
They will want all the Hawks picks and more.
On one side seing okc not in the race for him makes me optimistic
On the other one I still can't see PATFO commiting to give him +200M next summer.
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Yep
And that would be so stupid and put Spurs hostage and having to pay him whatever he asks next summer like NY this summer with OG
Maybe BW is THAT of a talented negociator that he'll only need the MIN 30'31', CHI 25' and CHA 25' ? Who knows?
Markkanen is on the last year of his deal and is due a huge payday. I wouldn't expect him to re-sign with the Jazz if they're perpetually rebuilding.
While I'm sure the Spurs have interest, he is 27 already and will cost a wad. Of course he would be nice to have, but cost to acquire, cost in salary, even question about fit, meld with that different timeline. I could see it, and it's good to check on prices, but I'm sure they're also making sure prices for compe ors stay high. Gut says OKC will get him. Maybe this ain't that bad, given that he's so poor defensively.
Markannen is a better player than OG, IMO so I don’t mind paying him.Yep
And that would be so stupid and put Spurs hostage and having to pay him whatever he asks next summer like NY this summer with OG
Maybe BW is THAT of a talented negociator that he'll only need the MIN 30'31', CHI 25' and CHA 25' ? Who knows?
Hartenstein to OKC, 87/3.
Damn, I didn't expect him to accept a short deal, but that's a lot of money for someone with his skillset.
OKC making all the right moves, they get better for the upcoming few years and still have long-term flexibility they'll need to extend their core players.
Good god BWrong trading with Ainge, no thanks
there ain't too many teams with a gang of first round picks that they can trade, especially not unprotected ones from a team that's as bad as the Hawks. There also aren't many teams with a lot of cap space. In an ideal scenario we keep the 25 picks and send out other draft picks. Lauri signe for a little less than the max and we can frontload his contract. I'm not sure anybody would be willing or able to give him the full max.
What an offseason for Presti, man.
I'd love for the Spurs to one day sniff the competence of OKC at some point in the future. Maybe when the old man and BWrong are gone tbh.
OKC just gave a load of money to Hartenstien so forget about them for LM.
I was just referring to the fact that Spurs would be held hostages by whatever investment they'd make for him. Can't let him go free = no leverage
Just imagine if he's a bad fit for whatever reason... It's a massive risk that I have a hard time seing PATFO take. Let's see...
I can't believe Zollins finessed 17mil per year from these bums
Spurs should go in for Lauri tbh. They would be a playoff team next season. Everything besides Hawks 2025 pick should be on the table
We won't have any picks this decade if we trade for Markannen
Once again I'm posting the Jazz fan's view on things and Markkanen's somewhat complicated situation.
- Lauri Markkanen is looking for a four year max extension. However, the CBA only allows raises in extensions to be 40% over the last year of his contract. The salary cap in 2025-2026 is likely to be $155.1m so a max for a less than 10 year player is $46.53m starting in year 1. Therefore, a player must be making $33.24m or more in 2024-2025 to sign a max extension for 2025-2026.
- Lauri Markkanen is set to make 18.044m next year. However, after Lauri's contract hits three years old, whoever has him under contract can renegotiate and extend him. This involves the team using their own salary cap space to give a raise to a player for their current year and then extending him for future years. The Jazz did this last year with Clarkson though for different reasons. To renegotiate and extend Markkanen, the Jazz or whoever traded for Markkanen must give him a $15.2m raise this year, using their cap space.
- Now we get into the timing issues caused by the CBA. If you trade for a player, you can't extend them for at least six months. If you extend a player, you cannot trade them for at least six months. You must hit the salary floor by mid October. Lauri signed his current contract August 27th 2021. The trade deadline is early February 2025.
- The salary floor is 90% of the cap, meaning that a team can only pass mid October with $14.1m in cap space or less.
So let's go through a few scenarios here.
- Jazz renegotiate and extend Markkanen. In this scenario, the Jazz cannot have renegotiated and extended him until August 27th, 2024 or later. This means they could not trade Markkanen until February 27th, 2025... Which is after the trade deadline.
- The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team with cap space that promises to renegotiate and extend him. In this scenario, a team could hypothetically offer Markkanen a $14.1m raise this year and a near max contract. Over the five years, this would lose Markkanen around $8m compared to a renegotiation and max so Markkanen's agent would realistically try to harm trade talks unless an absolutely perfect situation came up. And what teams could realistically hold this much cap space available for renegotiation and extending? It's mostly just the Pistons and Spurs so Markkanen's agent would probably tell the Pistons that he would rather test free agency because the Pistons are so awful (and this is actually pretty reasonable for a player to say as well, lol). This narrows Markkanen's market and reduces his trade value.
- The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team that will not renegotiate and extend him. This move would cost Markkanen at least $15m and would cause a huge amount of risk for Markkanen if he got injured during next season so he and agent would try to sabotage any trade talks to non ideal situations by implying that he could leave in free agency. I would say this narrows down his market to basically just le contenders where he would fit well and get a good amount of shots.
So we're looking at a very narrow trade market and that lowers the odds dramatically that a team will want to roll the dice and go all-in with Markkanen, making the odds of trading him much lower.
Sexton and Kessler also have depressed trade value (Sexton due to his seasons before this not being great and Kessler for having a disappointing second year) so they're unlikely to be traded as well though they could be traded at the deadline if they have a great year. These are our three best players so it's hard to see any tanking moves being plausible.
Removed the bit about potential suitors since OKC, Sixers and Nets had different plans.
Jalen Smith to the Bulls. Sorry ex
No worries we have the 2031 pick from the Wolves!We won't have any picks this decade if we trade for Markannen
Getting Lauri would be a dream tho! I'm pretty confident he and Wemby would compliment each other very well...Just stay with the 2025 Hawks pick.
Holy , you weren't kidding
That's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. Legit no replies at all that aren't from himself, sometimes months apart. Deranged stuff.
so hypothetically speaking: if we trade for him, could we then renegotiate his contract and do a wink-wink type of extension where he does not get the full max due to the Spurs paying him like 15 million more this season than he should usually get? And then just frontload the extension? So you pay him 33 million instead of 18 this season and then structure the contract like 46, 46, 43, 40?
Btw, since we're talking about picks again.
2022: Sochan, Branham, Wesley
2021: Primo
2020: Vassell
2019: Samanic, Keldon
I'd argue that Markkanen is more valuable than 7 players we drafted in 2019-2022.
I know it's whataboutism and who knows what can happen in future drafts, but Devin is the only player out of those 7 picks who looks like he'd surely be a contributor on a legit playoff team.
Don't forget that we just traded away a lottery pick.
I'd rather have an actual all-star than a stash of 2030s FRPs.
I'm not an expert, but it should be possible.
Someone who's more into CBA stuff should confirm it.
That kind of contract would be a steal.
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