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    Lopez would be a huge upgrade over Collins. It would give the Spurs the best defensive center rotation in the league. Especially if the Spurs are trying to swing a win-now trade, paying some second to turn Zach into Brook would be a huge win.
    It'd be a significant upgrade for a backup position. I'd rather they try to upgrade their closing lineup if they were actually trying to win games next year tbh.

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    If spurs are aiming to be a max space for future team they should be looking to move Keldon for 1 year deal players that can improve the team and where they get a pick possibly. Keldon for Brook + a pick makes a lot of sense in this regard.

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    if they want cap relief then they're not going to want collins who has an additional year. Graham could make some sense since we can probably absorb the remainder of lopez' salary.

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    If spurs are aiming to be a max space for future team they should be looking to move Keldon for 1 year deal players that can improve the team and where they get a pick possibly. Keldon for Brook + a pick makes a lot of sense in this regard.
    I'm glad I can say I was here to see your entire arc from not wanting to trade Keldon to trying to trade him in basically every post.

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    It'd be a significant upgrade for a backup position. I'd rather they try to upgrade their closing lineup if they were actually trying to win games next year tbh.
    Collins is a backup because he sucks. I don't see why Lopez and Vic can't play together.

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    if they want cap relief then they're not going to want collins who has an additional year. Graham could make some sense since we can probably absorb the remainder of lopez' salary.
    They want tax relief and to get younger while still being compe ive. They don't need cap space in 2025, so Collins being locked in doesn't affect them.

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    If spurs are aiming to be a max space for future team they should be looking to move Keldon for 1 year deal players that can improve the team and where they get a pick possibly. Keldon for Brook + a pick makes a lot of sense in this regard.
    Keldon > Lopez in terms of value.

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    If we could turn Collins and some seconds into Lopez I'm all for it, but I figure it'd take more than that.
    Right now, the Bucks seem to want to make a move but can't bring themselves to break up Lillard/Middleton/Giannis. Lopez is their most likely piece to shake up. Bucks fans just wanted a couple of seconds for the swap, but I imagine the Bucks would want to see if a bigger deal could be swung to move the needle before settling on the savings and age.

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    im not dealing keldon for BroLo

    keldon is on a solid, declining contract. with the upcoming cap increase starting next year, his contract is going to be really appealing to buyers

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    Right now, the Bucks seem to want to make a move but can't bring themselves to break up Lillard/Middleton/Giannis. Lopez is their most likely piece to shake up. Bucks fans just wanted a couple of seconds for the swap, but I imagine the Bucks would want to see if a bigger deal could be swung to move the needle before settling on the savings and age.
    two SRPs and 2 SRP swaps

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    Collins is a backup because he sucks. I don't see why Lopez and Vic can't play together.
    It took the senile old man half a season to realize Wemby's best position is at the 5. I'm not moving Wemby off that just so we could try and accommodate a ty fit with Lopez tbh.

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    Unloading Collins for Lopez would get the Bucks out of the second apron and open up the taxpayer mid-level exception for them to sign someone else. They need depth to eat up minutes, badly.

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    It took the senile old man half a season to realize Wemby's best position is at the 5. I'm not moving Wemby off that just so we could try and accommodate a ty fit with Lopez tbh.
    It wasn't Victor playing out of position, it was Collins starting.

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    Unloading Collins for Lopez would get the Bucks out of the second apron and open up the taxpayer mid-level exception for them to sign someone else. They need depth to eat up minutes, badly.
    This is why I think THEY need to send us an asset. Zach is a good fall back plan for them on a decentish deal.

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    Spurs: Collins, Bassey and seconds for Lopez
    Bucks: Lopez for Barnes, Bassey and seconds
    Pelicans: Ingram for Collins, Huerter and a first
    Kings: Ingram for Barnes, Huerter and a first

    The Spurs get their target
    The Bucks save money and get back a rotational forward (their supposed main off-season goal)
    The Pelicans get the center and wing for Ingram along with a pick
    The Kings get their "third star" for a pretty cheap price.

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    I'm glad I can say I was here to see your entire arc from not wanting to trade Keldon to trying to trade him in basically every post.
    Lmao - Im 100% fine keeping him, Im just using him to try and fit the narrative around SA appears to be doing

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    Keldon > Lopez in terms of value.
    Yes. Thats why SA is getting a pick with Lopez. Lopez gives Sa one year of an elite defensive 3PT shooting center (Lopez>>>>Collins), nets SA a pick and clears all of Keldons money off books.

    Im not saying that’s my preference; Im pointing out a scenario based on how SA is acting

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    Spurs: Collins, Bassey and seconds for Lopez
    Bucks: Lopez for Barnes, Bassey and seconds
    Pelicans: Ingram for Collins, Huerter and a first
    Kings: Ingram for Barnes, Huerter and a first

    The Spurs get their target
    The Bucks save money and get back a rotational forward (their supposed main off-season goal)
    The Pelicans get the center and wing for Ingram along with a pick
    The Kings get their "third star" for a pretty cheap price.
    That’s a no brainer for SA. If we can get Lopez and keep Keldon that would be amazing.

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    two SRPs and 2 SRP swaps
    Only way the Spurs are getting those second-round swaps is if they're throwing in the Hawks pick next year.

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    Spurs: Collins, Bassey and seconds for Lopez
    Bucks: Lopez for Barnes, Bassey and seconds
    Pelicans: Ingram for Collins, Huerter and a first
    Kings: Ingram for Barnes, Huerter and a first

    The Spurs get their target
    The Bucks save money and get back a rotational forward (their supposed main off-season goal)
    The Pelicans get the center and wing for Ingram along with a pick
    The Kings get their "third star" for a pretty cheap price.
    Can we replace Champagnie for Bassey in these hypotheticals? The basketball reasons are irrelevant, it just hurts me to see my prince so cavalierly thrown away

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    The only thing I like about Morey is the guy is a closer…Spurs need to close this deal or move on. Don’t let Danny boy use us as leverage on a deal with another team. Drop the Spurs are out of the sweepstakes the price was too high leaked tweet and do the rest of the league a solid.

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    Unloading Collins for Lopez would get the Bucks out of the second apron and open up the taxpayer mid-level exception for them to sign someone else. They need depth to eat up minutes, badly.
    If taking back Collins gets them under the second apron, that's a fantastic deal for both sides. Happy to throw in some seconds to make it happen.

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    Lopez would be a huge upgrade over Collins. It would give the Spurs the best defensive center rotation in the league. Especially if the Spurs are trying to swing a win-now trade, paying some second to turn Zach into Brook would be a huge win.
    I don't think some 2nds turn Zach Collins (negative contract) into Brook Lopez (positive, albeit not hugely). But if Spurs could pull something like that, then you take it and run.

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    Can we replace Champagnie for Bassey in these hypotheticals? The basketball reasons are irrelevant, it just hurts me to see my prince so cavalierly thrown away
    The Spurs don't NEED to trade either in this case. The question is if MKE needs to get a center back or if they're fine with Portis starting and Giannis getting a lot more minutes there.

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    if we can turn Collins 2-year deal into Brook Lopez that's some high level GMing

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