Just for some of your information, just browsing through the thread. Lauri won't accept an extension. Jazz will absolutely offer it, but the starting salary is like 25mil p/y, significantly under what he would if he signs a contract next season. That means, Lauri absolutely will be a free agent next season.
Now the Spurs or any other team, can speak to Lauri agent before approving a trade, on will Lauri resign with them and at what figure. The figure will be the max, as he is worth it. Depending on the teams relationship with the agent, it will be a given that he will resign. But things can absolutely sour over a course of the year.
Also, we have heard no news about Mitc .
I get the appeal, but I'd rather blow the load on a perimeter player with size eventually.
I'd be shocked if it did, but there's still probably a better chance of it than Johnson.
I can't imagine them giving up multiple good assets for a late 20s, injury prone role player, who's signed to a multi year deal.
Exactly. No real upshot in getting him now. Just wait a year. Utah is overstating its power.
Plus the Spurs are stealth tanking so…
We said no chance in of getting Wemby either
There is never a win-win when dealing with Ainge.
Not exactly true. Any of team that sends assets to acquire Lauri, will be given the all clear from his agent that he will resign for the max. If the Spurs want him for le runs over the next 5 years, Spurs need to trade for him.
At the same time, if the Jazz don't trade him, we have to assume he has agreed to sign a max with them in the off season. In saying that, if there is any hint he won't, the Jazz will trade him for the best offer.
Edit, if Jazz are 'listening to offers,' the assumption is that he is not 100% committed to the Jazz. The Jazz will have to weigh in the offers and compare to resigning him, with the risk of losing him for nothing, re PG3.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/r...shake-up-list/
This is an article from last year. It does a good job listing who has what and how things are valued even if their predictions were inconsistent. About a third of these traded assets in the article were used this past draft and it does not include this year's deals like the pick and swap for Dillingham.
What can Jazz pay him on reup v other teams?
Markanen is great target. Any pick/swap that is not Atlanta or SA should be in play. Utah is going to tank.
Technically Lauri will become a FA, but it will be just like the OG and Siakam trades. Before any deal is done, the acquiring team will have a basic agreement to extend in place and, just like Pascal and OG, an extension would be done before the free agency period even starts. There would be risks that things turn horribly south and the parties don't want to continue... and that would suck, but that's kind of the risk you run with every acquisition (see Harden, James), and the Spurs would at least still in be in position to facility a S&T with the 5th year and 8% raises.
You trippin, we can start dumping our own FRPs starting with 27 and then any year we don’t have a pick swap. BOS swap 28 not a stopper either. Someone proposed trading our 27, 29, 31 FRPs. They were on the right track there.
If Lauri doesn't get traded this month, I'd fully expect him to get a raise-and-extend in August (which the Jazz can do. They don't have to wait until next offseason to give him a max extension).
Mostly agree with your last point, though Ainge seems like the guy who is never too committed to any one path, and if value comes along, he'll pivot. What I mean by that is, he may be committed to Lauri, and Lauri to the Jazz, right up until Ainge gets an offer he can't ignore.
Or we could just be patsies in a 3 team deal that send Lauri to OKC:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...gency.amp.html
The Spurs get off pretty well here, at least at face value - but would PATFO really prop a rival up like that?
That’s somewhat interesting but it makes OKC so freaking good lol
We give up a 2026 FRP (which has ATL Swap Rights attached to it and might be one of our most valuable FRPs), a 2027 FRP Swap, Zach and a 2028 SRP for ing Lu Dort and Walker Kessler? This only makes sense value-wise because we get off Collins, but we are not that desperate to get off Collins (especially since this is just giving the same money to Lu Dort). Otherwise, this is ing atrocious.
Also, taking part in a 3-way deal so that Lauri can go somewhere else would be the biggest punch since we did something like draft Rob Dillingham only to trade him.
Some of you think giving up a valuable FRP and a swap for a subpar starting SF and upgrading the backup C position is a good deal? But you don't want to give up assets for Lauri Markannen? wtf. Sorry to go Mr. Body on all of you... but c'mon.
I don't think that gets him to a max though still, as they can only take ~$14m into the season to facilitate that given the salary floor kicks in at the start of the season. Even with a 40% raise off that, he is still 4-5m per short of the projected max next year. So to get the max he will have to hit free agency.
But IIRC, the Salary Floor doesn't need to be met until October, but Lauri can extend and resign in August. So the Jazz can carry more than $14 by the time they need to do this?
Ahhh, you could well be right. Thought I'd seen something like that but your dates make sense.
Markanen is one of the few players from the standpoint of ability, age, personality that is both gettable and worthy of pivoting to a win now mode. He has been awesome for Utah. The problem has been over the last two years Utah has traded the good players around him. Looking back at his early years, he was drafted by Chicago. Not sure if there is a worse team on the league at player development. Of all the names mentioned this offseason he is the only one I would strongly consider giving up significant draft capital for. Not a blind yes for me but would be aggressive to get this guy.
I thought the raise and extension has to still be within the 40% range increase, which makes his annual salary starting around 25mil.
^ I think part of what made him look so good was that we had on a bargain deal. He could play exactly the same way on his next much larger deal, and be panned as middling.
That's almost attractive just to get Dort out of OKC and no defense Markkanen in. He'd be a sieve. If the Thunder struggled to handle an injured Doncic they'd have no prayer after this trade.
From what I understand (and I'm not an expert, perhaps Chinook can weigh in), the Jazz can use whatever cap space they have to renegotiate his current deal, and THEN give him an extension with 140% raises. The most notable example is when IND renegotiated Miles Turner's contract and nearly doubled his pay from $18MM/yr to $35MM/yr.
As far as I can tell, the Jazz have $40MM in cap space, so they can bump him up to anything over $33MM/yr and then 140% will cover a max.
How the can you be a fan of Dillingham and write about Markkanen being a sieve?
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