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I guess. He'd have to know it'd be really hard to get traded at that point. Getting stuck on this bad treadmill team shouldn't be too appealing. He has maybe three-four years of prime left.
they can pay him the most. standard operating procedure is recent years has been re-signing for the max money and then just demanding out later
I guess. He'd have to know it'd be really hard to get traded at that point. Getting stuck on this bad treadmill team shouldn't be too appealing. He has maybe three-four years of prime left.
The penalty would trigger on their 2032 pick, not 2031. Basically it would trigger before they ever got a chance to trade it.
I don't think this has been definitively answered, but it seems like the pick gets moved to the back of the round only when the team owns it themselves. So, if the Spurs get it, it doesn't move back. Can't penalize another team for their own cap problems. Interesting thing is whether the swapped Spurs pick then goes to the end, as it now belongs to Minnesota. I assume that this is the case, as a team should not be able to trade out of the stricture.
Really like this idea, like Randle and will be rooting for the Knicks in the East next year, and this would be a better fit for both
If Sportrac is correct, Bucks are less then $500K over the second apron (but that's with only 11 spots filled + 2 two-ways), so could do a pure dump salary of a smaller salary like Beauchamp or Green for a smaller salary/min guy to get under, then do the Randle for Lopez but they'd have to include assets or get a 3rd team, but then they'd be back to 2nd apron (with roster spots to fill) and would likely want to make another trade to get under.
But Bucks would likely have to give up assets in all 3 trades and Spotrac says they don't have any tradable firsts until 2031 and no 2nds either. Bucks are in a tough spot. Did Beasley sign somewhere else? He'd put them way over the apron.
Love this new CBA, if you exceed the 2nd apron without a very clear escape plan or a fully set roster, better be prepared to bend the following year.
I was wondering why the Spurs were collecting so many 2nds, makes a lot more sense reading the new rules.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-offseas...215607328.htmlJust how punitive this final element of the second-apron punishments turns out is what has league executives most curious about this summer’s activity — and how the next few seasons of roster construction unfold. Second-apron teams won’t be able to trade their first-round pick seven years into the future. So, if you’re in the second apron by season’s end of 2024-25, you’ll automatically have your 2032 first-round pick frozen and unable to be dealt. That might seem like a way-off draft asset, but those picks are valuable for contending teams that have already emptied much of their war chests. The Bucks, for instance, sent their 2030 first-round pick to the Portland Trail Blazers as part of their September 2023 blockbuster to acquire Damian Lillard.
And here’s the tricky part: If a team then remains in the second apron for two of the following four seasons, its first-round pick seven years out won’t just be frozen, it will automatically be moved to the end of that first round — or the 30th pick.
So basically, a team can't trade their future pick once it gets frozen. So it's not like Boston could deal its 2032 pick on draft night and write it off because they know it's going to be the 30th pick. Once the tax window passes in April, that pick becomes untradeable, and two years later it becomes locked at 30 unless the Celtics have found a way to slip back under the apron.
And yes, I'm sure the idea of a team being unable to use their 2032 pick in a trade next summer is keeping Wright up at night.
Ewww, no.
The way it works is the aprons are just tax levels provided a team stays within the rules, but once they cross the rules, the aprons become hard caps that cannot be exceeded no matter what. So in this case, the Bucks are currently over the second apron and could (and should) get under it. However, if they do anything to trigger the second apron, they can't then go back over it. In your example, taking back more salary would trigger the first apron becoming a hard cap, basically causing the league to intervene and force the Bucks to trade whatever salary they needed to to get under the first apron. While they could add a salary like Connaughton to get FAR under the second apron and hope to stay under it, that is a harder sell. The Knicks can't take Pat, so a third team would have to take him basically for nothing.
In other words, the Bucks can't do Lopez for Randle without finding a way to shed enough salary to complete their roster while staying under the second apron. Even if they can achieve that, the trade would have to be structured in such a way as to include extra outgoing salary, which New York cannot take back themselves. This is possible, but not elegant.
well damn....
Why are the Knicks on tilt?
They got their guys (Nova baby! + OG), think they love their team and see Randle as the guy who can replenish some draft capital without really changing them on court and lower their tax bill in the process.
What do you'll think his value is?
Dude's been a 24.5/9.5/4.5 guy the past two years, with 2x Allstar appearances and a 3rd team All-NBA, is still in his prime, and is pretty cheap at $31M + $32M option (so a rental if he stays healthy). Been pretty healthy until last yr.
But he's an old school PF that's prolly not a great fit on a current contender and prolly too small for small ball 5 (except maybe with Giannis)
It'll be interesting to see what his value is. What's the going cost for a going-on-30 y/o, productive All-star on a rental that's a career 33% shooter from deep, boards well, good connector, can put the ball on the floor, who plays average D but not super versatile.
The Bucks are wild
25 FRP is headed to NOP or NYK
25 SRP is headed to CLE
26 FRP is swapped to NOP
26 SRP is going to ORL or BKN
27 FRP is going to NOP
27 SRP is going to PHI
28 FRP is swapped to POR
28 SRP is going to OKC
29 FRP is going to POR
29 SRP is going to DET
30 FRP is swapped to POR
30 SRP is going to ORL
They now have 31 FRP and SRP they can trade. But this is literally the most bare cupboard in the league - they have traded away every possible asset and have nothing incoming. It's wild.
FWIW, I'm a contract attorney (hence my interest) but not a CBA expert and not pretending to be. Just read several articles and breakdowns cause this stuff interests me, haven't (and won't) read the actual CBA.
My understanding is 7 years out from that offending fiscal year (which just began), so if they are over that threshold this yr, it'd be their 2032 pick that's locked (frozen, cannot be moved) and it looks to be locked until that draft. So its far enough out that a team cannot trade it to another team, generally. There's the situation where a team could trade that pick during the season, then move into the apron, in which case I'm guessing the following years pick would be frozen.
Whatever the case, the CBA 100% will contain language that prevents another team from bearing that burden. I've also seen it reported that it takes 3 years offending in a 5 years period to convert to last, but I've seen the 2/4 number reported more so that's what I quoted.
That unprotected 2031 pick is now 6 years out and not subject to the penalty. The 2032 pick is now 7 years out.
Any spurs rumors? Graham still on the books. Spurs still need shooting.
They're about to trade Sochan, Vassell, and Castle for Markkanen.
Shooting is such a big glaring need and it seems like they don’t care about it lol
Good info, thank you. I knew teams could hard cap themselves in both the first and second apron, but didn't remember the details. Makes total sense moving back into the 2nd apron would trigger it.
There aren’t any better FAs than Lauri next year who will actually leave their teams. I’m in on Lauri, but it doesn’t have to be this year. I’d love to see Ainge’s salty tears as he’s trying to arrange sign and trades as Lauri is in San Antonio signing a deal next summer.
Wild indeed, I was wondering if I was reading there pick list wrong. That's ridiculous and they're only movable assets are aging out and/or rentals + the franchise.
I'm so happy they hired Doc who will absolutely ensure that no young player gets a chance to develop before Giannis requests a trade
Maaaaannnnnn it’s been real slow. Every time I refresh, I hope I get the dead hamster at least that way I’ll know something big happened for the Spurs. That was the same way figured we snagged a big name (granted, I hadn’t known yet that was someone ancient).
Am I missing something on the Donovan Mitc deal? Why has he not signed? Im trying to find a reason that he wouldn’t have extended already
I think he wants to see what the Cavs do.
Working on a trade. He wants to go back to Utah.
This is really a strong argument for us building through the draft rather than unloading for Lauri etc.
I think there’s a time and place to move capital. Knicks overpaid for Bridges but still have more in the cupboard. We’ll have to eventually make a move but I’m not sure today is that day.
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