There is Markannen to Spurs Buzz

[DAF86]

I've been saying this since the Trae Young rumors started at last years deadline. Time is of the essence because the surplus value of Wemby's rookie deal is a once in a lifetime windfall. But some people would rather waste it on another tryout season.

Adding a playee that will become a liability when it matters doesn't help at all, tbh. The idea of adding a star player now is sound, but it has to be right one.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Spurs own picks should drop in value from '26 onwards and be well into 20s from '27 onwards.
With Trae staying and Hawks retooling, Hawks '25 pick looks to be in late lottery, then it's up to draft luck.
Their '27 could be really valuable if Trae opts out and Risacher flops, that's the highest value pick Spurs have right now, imo.

While Mitc did sign an extension, it's just for two extra years. Then he'll ask for a supermax at the age of 30 and Cavs will trend downwards.
Minnesota will be over the second apron next season with just 8 players on the roster, two of them being current rookies and one being 38 year old Conley on a cheap deal.
That's with NAW gone and them having to trade someone to extend Naz.
Gobert is 32 already, KAT will be getting $60M a year at 35 and they don't have a single tradeable pick after Dillingham trade. If that kid doesn't become a legit 20ppg scorer, they're also ed. Sooner than you'd think.
And who knows what's going to happen with the Lakers in three years from now.

The 26 Spurs pick is the ATL swap. And sure the Spurs will get better but that still leaves 4 picks the Jazz are certain to covet.

[Robz4000]

Keldon is far more valuable on the Spurs than he is in a trade. He really shouldn't be the guy folks think of when they're looking to Mark ballast.

People forget he provides an important role on a cheap contract tbh. If the Spurs are better run this upcoming season could definitely see him in play for 6moty.

[spurraider21]

Keldon is far more valuable on the Spurs than he is in a trade. He really shouldn't be the guy folks think of when they're looking to Mark ballast.

yeah, this. ive been firmly aboard the "keldon will probably be moved before his contract expires" wagon, as i think his long term fit is questionable.

but he's not a bad player, and his contract is solid. i dont know exactly what is value is, but he's more than just a salary matching name of a piece of paper

[spurs10]

Jazz owns 14 FRPs in the upcoming 5 drafts.
Losing Markkanen for cheap wouldn't be a great look, but they still have the most assets in the league after OKC.
The own both Cleveland and Minnesota long-term.

'25 picks: own, MIN, CLE.
'26 picks: own, better of MIN/CLE.
'27 picks: own, MIN, CLE, LAL (top4 protected).
'28 picks: own, CLE.
'29 picks: own, CLE, MIN (top5 protected).

With Wemby becoming an MVP-level player as soon as 25-26 season, our picks won't be that good. Mid to late teens unless we're lucky to move up.
The only good thing we'll have after '25 draft are those two Hawks picks and a completely unknown quan y in those Minnesota picks.

While it looks like we're in a great situation, we don't actually have that many great picks. Especially if Chicago blows it up completely.
We'll have Mavs and Celtics swaps, but they'll still be competing.

Owning all those FRPs is probably not a good sign they'd be willing to trade with us.

[spurraider21]

Owning all those FRPs is probably not a good sign they'd be willing to trade with us.

just means they need some picks after 2029

[DAF86]

Meh, Keldon is kind of empty calories if we're gonna be honest with ourselves, tbh.

[LeBowen]

The 26 Spurs pick is the ATL swap. And sure the Spurs will get better but that still leaves 4 picks the Jazz are certain to covet.

'26 swap will depend on if Trae signs an extension or opts out. That will determine it's value.
Honestly, it's really hard to evaluate talent and get all the right picks.
I know it's in the past, but 7 draft selections Spurs made before Wemby aren't as valuable as Markkanen if we look at just basketball ability because Devin's team-friendly contract is great.

If PATFO was drafting on the level they did during the glory days, I wouldn't trade those picks, but nowdays they're just average at it and hoarding picks only to draft the wrong players would be horrible.
For example, I'm fine with them not wanting Dillingham due to his size, but I can guarantee you that one of those picks selected in let's say #9-20 range will become a high level starter who'd be really valuable with Wemby.
But they weren't confident enough in their evaluation who's going to become that player and were too scared to pull the trigger.

Now I'm supposed to watch some more of that for two more years and then wait for those players to develop for like three years after being drafted?
There's your 2027 headline about Wemby's camp being unhappy with Spurs front office's inability to build a legit contender around him.

People forget he provides an important role on a cheap contract tbh. If the Spurs are better run this upcoming season could definitely see him in play for 6moty.

He provides an important role because last season we had about 2.5 NBA-level players in the rotation around Wemby.
He's a high energy guy who's a great locker room presence, but that's it.
Horrible defender, streaky shooter, tunnel visions every time he attacks the basket.
We need to get rid of low IQ players. If someone values Keldon as a positive asset, he needs to go.

Owning all those FRPs is probably not a good sign they'd be willing to trade with us.

Imo, the entire trade is predicated on Markkanen's unwillingness to accept more tanking. He already said he wants to compete, regardless of where.
Jazz would have a huge war chest with some young players on the roster, go all on the two upcoming drafts and then trade for one of the next wave of unhappy superstars.

[Pauleta14]

It’d be like playing keepaway from kids with our two literal giants who can score from anywhere on the floor. The Lauri entry pass to Wemby from either side of the floor would be deadly enough (can’t double off Lauri at all), but then combine it with the Lauri/Wemby 4/5 screen actions? It’d be insanity. Our space and pace guys (basically CP3 and Vassell shooting with the rest of our roster cutters for the moment) would also have a lot more opportunities, too, obviously

I know we need to preserve our futur draft capital, be patient, step by step blabla etc

But isn't the future just here, NOW with Lauri?? Is there another similar matchup nightmare we could build in the near futur? I can't see any, unless long patience with 25' & 26' drafts

I think it's a unique opportunity that we HAVE TO seize, even at a heavy price.

[Dejounte]

the Warriors. Hopefully the Jazz choose us

[vy65]

Does this take GSW out of the game?

[Knoxxx]

One of the articles I read, probably posted I forget, said Markkanen is a championship contending move for the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

One of the articles I read, probably posted I forget, said Markkanen is a championship contending move for the Spurs.

Good thing media never exaggerate things for clicks.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

'26 swap will depend on if Trae signs an extension or opts out. That will determine it's value.
Honestly, it's really hard to evaluate talent and get all the right picks.
I know it's in the past, but 7 draft selections Spurs made before Wemby aren't as valuable as Markkanen if we look at just basketball ability because Devin's team-friendly contract is great.

If PATFO was drafting on the level they did during the glory days, I wouldn't trade those picks, but nowdays they're just average at it and hoarding picks only to draft the wrong players would be horrible.
For example, I'm fine with them not wanting Dillingham due to his size, but I can guarantee you that one of those picks selected in let's say #9-20 range will become a high level starter who'd be really valuable with Wemby.
But they weren't confident enough in their evaluation who's going to become that player and were too scared to pull the trigger.

Now I'm supposed to watch some more of that for two more years and then wait for those players to develop for like three years after being drafted?
There's your 2027 headline about Wemby's camp being unhappy with Spurs front office's inability to build a legit contender around him.




He provides an important role because last season we had about 2.5 NBA-level players in the rotation around Wemby.
He's a high energy guy who's a great locker room presence, but that's it.
Horrible defender, streaky shooter, tunnel visions every time he attacks the basket.
We need to get rid of low IQ players. If someone values Keldon as a positive asset, he needs to go.



Imo, the entire trade is predicated on Markkanen's unwillingness to accept more tanking. He already said he wants to compete, regardless of where.
Jazz would have a huge war chest with some young players on the roster, go all on the two upcoming drafts and then trade for one of the next wave of unhappy superstars.

The Hawks were already in the lottery and traded away arguably their best player. Rissacher is not going to add more wins than Murray loses them.

The fly in your ointment is the Jazz's assets are still worse 15+ garbage on par with the Chicago pick.

[scott]

20 pages for a guy who the Spurs probably haven't even actually thought about. Proud of us, boys and gals.

[Spurs Brazil]

[Dejounte]

20 pages for a guy who the Spurs probably haven't even actually thought about. Proud of us, boys and gals.

just knowing you, I can tell these are some form of anti jinx posts. Keep up the energy man, it might work

[Mal]

Owning all those FRPs is probably not a good sign they'd be willing to trade with us.

Utah has to draft well, I seriously doubt they will be spending those on all-stars wanting to go there and build contender.

[vy65]

For the cap people, what would Lauri's incoming salary be?

With the fathead signing, GSW's roster is at around 170MM. 179MM is the first apron. Could GSW take back salary that puts them over the first apron?

[spurraider21]

For the cap people, what would Lauri's incoming salary be?

With the fathead signing, GSW's roster is at around 170MM. 179MM is the first apron. Could GSW take back salary that puts them over the first apron?

Keith Smith from spotrac posted this nifty shorthand chart ive been using for rules. i dont see that they'd be hard-capped right now

[Leetonidas]

Haynes is plugged in so they might actually be talking. Depends on how badly GS wants him though. If they didn't want to trade Kuminga for PG I doubt they'll want to include him for Lauri

[Wilt Chamberlain]

That sounds like Ainge has SA's offer and is using it to make the GSW sing. One of the ATL unprotected and Sochan would be hard for them to beat. Both unprotecteds near impossible.

[vy65]

Keith Smith from spotrac posted this nifty shorthand chart ive been using for rules. i dont see that they'd be hard-capped right now

So how does this work. The Warriors are at 168MM with the Fathead signing. Wiggins makes 26.2MM. A trade for Mark would, in high likelihood, have him being extended, right? So the most GSW could take back in Mark's salary would be around 36MM, or else they'd tip over into the first apron.

I'm assuming that a team can't make a trade that puts them into the first apron? Or can they? If a trade puts a team into the first apron, do first apron restrictions apply to the trade?

[spurraider21]

So how does this work. The Warriors are at ~170MM with the Fathead signing. Wiggins makes 26.2MM. A trade for Mark would, in high likelihood, have him being extended, right? So the most GSW could take back in Mark's salary would be around 36MM, or else they'd tip over into the first apron.

I'm assuming that a team can't make a trade that puts them into the first apron? Or can they? If a trade puts a team into the first apron, do first apron restrictions apply to the trade?

oh thats right they signed Melton with the MLE, which hard caps them at first apron. i forgot about that signing.

but Lauri is already under contract for this season, so im not sure if they have any specific limitations on how much of an extension they can offer him if acquired. somebody like Chinook or Bruno could do a much better job than i could

[Seventyniner]

The Warriors' 2030 first is en bered due to the Poole trade, meaning they can't trade their 2029 or 2031 firsts due to the Stepien rule. That means they can't trade more than two firsts to the Jazz: either 2025 and 2027 or 2026 and 2028. The Spurs can trump two firsts easily.