If we are going to give up our 25 pick or ATL, needs to be worse of or some other kind of protection attached.
I would love that but Im trying to think through what would win SA Lauri while also not being a massive overpay risk/reward wise. Im fairly certain ATL 25 would be involved as is if SA is going to win on Lauri
So our offer can be ty and we lose out on him?
I'd offer the 26 pick with the unprotected ATL swap instead since Ainge already has multiple 25 picks and the 26 pick probably conveys higher anyways since Trae is likely gone from Atlanta by then. The Spurs need some talent on the roster and I'd rather not wait until 26 for that whereas Ainge isn't trying to start winning yet. Lotta upside in the 26 pick with Dybantsa and Boozer coming out so should be an extremely attractive pick to Utah.
I thought it was posted no trading of swap rights?
I’d be good with that too (I’d prefer it honestly)
You trade the pick and the swap rights attached to it. The Spurs would not have a 26 FRP if they trade the 26 swap.
Basically, the Spurs are only in line to get one 2026 pick, one 2028 pick and one 2030 pick. The can trade whatever pick they end up getting, or they can trade the right to swap whatever pick they get with a pick the other team has. What they can't do is make ATL, BOS, DAL or MINN swap their pick and receive the pick from a new team. Like Dallas cannot receive Minnesota's pick in 2030. They can only receive their own pick or the Spurs pick, because that's what they agreed to. Minny can receive Dallas' pick, because they agreed to allow SA to swap whichever pick they had between SAS30 and DAL30 with MIN30. So it the Spurs gave 2030 swap rights to like Orlando, the Mavs would get the worst of DAL30 and SAS30, the Wolves would get the worst of (DAL30 and SAS30) and MIN30, and Orlando would get the best of ((DAL30 and SAS30) and MIN30) and ORL30.
So if the order was:
1 DAL
2 SAS
3 ORL
4 MIN
The swaps would be resolved as such:
DAL would get SAS30,
MIN would get MIN30,
SAS would get ORL30,
and
ORL would get DAL30
So I didn't intend to be up this late. I'll just say quickly that I've been looking around to see about Mark's extension eligibility date. From what I found, it looks like the NBA might have adjusted the date of contracts signed during the 2021 off-season to reflect 07/06/2021. If this is true, Mark is eligible for a renegotiation/extension starting Saturday. Local Jazz sources believe the adjusted date would be 08/06, though the explanation looked like gobbledygook to me. The 07/06 date is what Keith Smith has on Spotrac, and that date is consistent for other players who signed extensions that summer like Jarrett Allen. Smith is very good at what he does, so I assume he's correct. But it would seem weird to me that Utah would be will within the range of being able to report that they've come to an agreement with Mark on a new long-term deal but haven't yet. After all, Donovan Mitc 's extension date is also 07/06 because he also signed in August of 2021. Yet there's no confusion on his date.
Anyway, maybe both sides are keeping talks quiet and will break a new deal soon. But combined with the rumors of a trade make me wonder if the two sides aren't really seeing eye-to-eye on a new deal. Maybe Mark doesn't want to sign over his prime to a guy who seems to keep wanting to tank, or maybe the Jazz don't want to renegotiate just to give Mark a max anyway. I don't know. But something isn't adding up here. Maybe the eligibility date is different than the other dates and Smith doesn't know. Maybe Markkanen is asking out. Maybe Ainge really is trying to find a win-now trade to try for a playoff run. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
I don't know, y'all. I'm going to bed. Happy Fourth, everyone.
My offer would max out at this.
Keldon
25 Chicago
25 Charlotte
26 Spurs with Atlanta swap
28 Spurs with Boston swap
30 Spurs with Minnesota and Dallas swap
31 Minnesota
That’s 6 outright FRPs at face value. In reality it’s 5 FRP with 2 seconds (Charlotte). 4 of those 5 FRP are basically unprotected.
Any more picks than this and it’s starts to feel like an uncomfortable overpay.
For those still out on sending out a big haul of picks for Mark, remember how it has worked out for the last two teams who threw a fortune of picks at Ainge’s pole-rubbing feet in Utah.
Cleveland got Mitc and just resigned. He’s the kind of player that should never be traded. So good. Headed for top 10 almost certainly. Now that they have him locked up, their picks aren’t worth much and they killed that trade.
Wolves got Gobert and everyone thought they ed up but he almost got them a championship this year. He has already brought them a championship level defense. At this point there’s no way to argue with that trade being anything but fantastic for the Wolves with what a top contender they have become. A resoundingly successful trade!
The only real team I still worry about is Okc. I know they are never mentioned in the articles. But that’s how it goes with them. They are a bit of a stealth bomber. You won’t notice until the bomb is coming through your kitchen window. Just the same you won’t hear anything about an Okc trade until you read about it in the paper (wait do they still make those?)
Love the aggressiveness! That's an offer that beats everyone else, hands down (and more than I would offer, tbh, but yeah let's do it)
Mark is eligible for an extension last year. 7/6 is just the start of the new season there is no transaction between june 1-5. His adjusted 3 year for negotiation is still august. I believe they just went with percentage of the days of the offseason.
Love the Markkanen fit - he's probably one of the most unique archetypes in the NBA. Tall movement shooters his size don't come around that often, and the more prolific ones are either not as tall/good or not as good a shooter. He's a low friction fit just like every other shooter, the question is ultimately going to be his contract and his assets moving forward.
I actually think somewhere between Bargnani and Dirk is a reasonable range for him - the below are the 4 guys I was thinking most closely approximated him in playstyle, size, and overall impact. It's not perfect, but it may provide a reasonable place to start when we're talking about assets to give up for him.
He is a good fit in our system and they have made a compe ive offer. You can't overdo it, some things that look good on paper fail all the time especially true for established players.
I think this is insane. Lauri is good but not that good. People are wayyyyy to turned on by the thought of adding someone.
He doesn’t self create much. He’s not a great defender. Hes a guy that needs to be setup to hit 3s to have max value and with Wemby and Dev here he will be a third option so what will that value be to spurs with his lack of self creation, defense issues and inability to get to FT line at high rate?
I like Lauri and he would be a good fit but paying that price for a souped up Doug McDermott or “Richard Jefferson” (RJ meaning his role on the spurs - they aren’t similar players) type is just bad business IMVHO.
Go to my thread and find a single player worth giving everything up for.
I did see your thread - there’s no many worth it and the ones that are aren’t available at the moment. Do you think spurs should give up 5+ firsts for Lauri?
Did you see my in-depth post at the end?
We're literally not getting an all-star wing in the next three years unless we get Lauri.
If someone becomes available, the asking price will be both 4 FRPs and Devin or Castle.
If we get Lauri for 4 FRPs, we'd still have 9 FRPs and 20 SRPs left in the next 7 drafts.
Add Brian Wright's drafting record into equation and I'm taking Lauri over his talent evaluation.
It’s not about who is available at the moment. It’s about applying the hypothetical. You can get anyone from the list by giving up the farm. Who are those players? If there aren’t any, then you should start maybe reconsidering your position on this.
I'm leaning more and more this direction after going back and forth about it. It all comes down to which is more of a sure thing. You basically answered that question completely with this post.
It’s the opposite. I clearly have guys who are worth it (especially if hypothetically):
Luka, Booker, Fox, Tatum, Brown, Greek Freak
Lauri is 100% not on the list.
Lauri is more Doug a McDermott than he is an elite wing. Majority of his stuff is setup. Hes not a defensive boost. Elite means you can self create, get to line at high clip and don’t need to be spoon fed to have max value especially because you don’t make up for it net net in defense boost
Mark isn't eligible for his renegotiation until his third anniversary. Because 2021 had a late start, there has been talk that the NBA adjusted the anniversary of his signing to reflect 08/06, or the start of the 2021-2022 league year. That idea is not sound on its face. Anniversaries are adjusted for contracts signed between October 2 and the beginning of the league year to reflect 10/01 in order to allow rookie extensions to be eligible for additional extensions, renegotiations, etc. We learned this during the Murray situation a few years ago. But the CBA didn't have any carve-out for 2021 in it, which I imagine would've been helpful to get in writing. It's possible the league put out a memo, but from what I can see, the belief that the adjustment happened seems to be due to a tweet chain by some Utah media members
Like why they would believe this, I don't know, and as far as I can tell everyone else is referencing this conversation. What I don't know is if this got confirmed later on, because there are RGMers who act as if that did happen.
As far as why Smith has the 07/06 date, maybe you're correct about it simply referring to when he can sign an extension at all. I find it troubling that he doesn't have a separate date for renegotiation. Whether that's because he assumes it's the same date, doesn't know the answer or just doesn't care to track renegotiation deadlines due to how rare they matter, I don't know.
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