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we don't need to make any trades to be compe ive.
Same invite extends to you but keep hiding like a . I have feeling I’ll be exposing one of you very soon. One humbling at a timeRan into the right one
"You got me so triggered"
Weak ass pussy
we don't need to make any trades to be compe ive.
I feel like I wasted a full season reading this thread.
Oh stop being a let’s take this further, I will film it all and expose you for the you are. Either you apologize or be crippled for life
My work is done here
Shut up , stop pleading for attentions, someone else volunteered
Weak ass pussy
I thought he might be out of summer league at this point unless it’s all for Castle development. Just seems like he’s been around a Little long for SL.
Wait, who are we signing off waivers?
that's kind of the whole point. You do'nt even make the play in with the roster as such or just adding anoter random vet. CP3 doesn't move the needle. HOU and NO got/will get better, MEM will get Ja back... you're not top 10 next year without adding some serious talent.
Proven talent, not an uncertain rookie who will take years to devvelop into a starter if he ever will.
I don't know, one of those videos that Cutewizard posted (lol, I ended up clicking on a few), led to a Nick Wright video (Unless he doesn't want the Spurs to be good? Is he generally a Spurs hater or fan?), and he says the slow approach is the right one. He was using NO and a young Anthony Davis as an example saying that tried to get him help really fast by bringing guys like Jrue Holiday in and it didn't work out. I know this is completely different as I think Victor is already amazing and getting better and better, but it's an interesting thought/take that I didn't really think about.
I also don't remember where I read/heard this (could have been here, on a video, or maybe Ronny said it in the broadcast last night, I just don't remember), but it was mentioned building slower to last longer. I really don't know what approach the Spurs should take. Maybe they need to ask Victor directly, or do you guys think they've already discussed all this with him?
Last edited by Ice009; 07-04-2024 at 05:47 AM.
Michael Jordan didn't win a championship until he was like 27. Same for Lebron. Yall are some stupid s tbh. Can't really expect much more though from a website of little boys challenging to fight each other.
Last edited by Bill_Brasky; 07-04-2024 at 05:49 AM.
No one is going to waste . Victor is coming off his rookie season and our core pieces are still under 25 and still developing. I’m sure Victor and the FO are in lockstep on the future plans on how to build the team going forward. From afar it looks like they are going to use one more draft cycle to get another core piece and see which players develop and they can keep and who they move off. This was always going to be a 2-3 year process to figure how they wanted to build the iden y of the team. How people on this message board think they know more than the paid professionals who have forgotten more about team building than we’ll ever know and are actually around the players everyday is truly beyond me.
Who exactly is developing?
Devin is already a 20ppg scorer.
Jeremy needs to learn how to play basketball if he's to stay on the roster.
Castle is the only question mark.
Others are scrubs who won't be here long.
There are way too many bad decisions and red flags surrounding Brian Wright and his team for us not to be concerned.I’m sure Victor and the FO are in lockstep on the future plans on how to build the team going forward.
Why didn't we get another rookie with #8 pick then.From afar it looks like they are going to use one more draft cycle to get another core piece and see which players develop and they can keep and who they move off.
It can't possibly be that they thought not a single player picked from #8 onwards would become an NBA level starter?
Instead they kicked that pick 7 years down the road and who knows if it's even going to be a lottery pick.
The only reasonable explanation is that they decided to use it as an asset in a trade.
You can't build for 3 years when your franchise player is already on all-NBA and DPOY level.This was always going to be a 2-3 year process to figure how they wanted to build the iden y of the team.
There will be 8 teams that are going to blatantly tank next season. Unless Wemby gets injured or shut down, we're more or less guaranteed to be better than them.
He's going to average 25/12 with ease while being the best defender in the league.
At that point, having 9th or 12th best odds is irrelevant. Just play to win and gain experience.
Yeah, let's act like every front office in the league is competent and every team is doing well.How people on this message board think they know more than the paid professionals who have forgotten more about team building than we’ll ever know and are actually around the players everyday is truly beyond me.
The only fact right now is that we're on the second longest lottery streak after Pistons.
If we didn't get beyond lucky with 14% odds to get Wemby, we'd still be one of the worst teams in the league and looking at at least 2 more years of blatant tanking.
No competent front office needs 7 years of lottery, even if they get unlucky in the draft.
Let's not even mention how they picked a subpar player with #9 pick in 2022 and wasted two more FRPs on two players who will likely be out of the league after this season.
Or how they reached to pick a player noone had in lottery in 2021, only for him to turn out to be a scrub even before he started swinging his around.
So what’s your plan of action to get the Spurs to contention status as soon as next year? And how would your plan make the Spurs better than Dallas, Minnesota, Denver and Boston? If you want to win now they have to be better than those teams right now.
That's the problem with a lot of fans.
There's no easy way to contention.
We can't go from 0 to 100.
First we need to become a good regular season team, then have some playoff failures and then start contending.
We have to start somewhere, we surely won't draft another generational talent with like qurater of the league tanking on purpose.
We can get more solid pieces, but those players will take a few years to develop.
But every year outside of the playoffs pushes that contention window further down the line.
Before you know it, Wemby is on a max deal already with Spurs still building around him and nothing to show for.
Scott had a great NFL analogy last night.
Since NFL teams are hard capped, if they draft an elite QB, they start building around him right away and take advantage of that cheap deal.
Wemby has three years left on a cheap deal and it would be awful if we didn't use those final two years to win some actual playoff series.
Trading for Markkanen would enable us to make the playoffs this season.
If his price is 4 FRPs, we'd still have 9 FRPs in the next 7 drafts and we wouldn't lose any significant roster pieces.
Castle, Devin, Markkanen, Wemby core, with one or two '25 FRPs and maybe Jeremy developing looks great to me.
Then we add solid role players via late FRPs or use some in trades.
Role players will all want to play with Wemby in free agency, we'll become a desirable destination for players that have winning as their priority.
1. Get Markkanen via a reasonable trade that is commensurate to the fact that his is an expiring contract this year and the fact that he is an All-Star already in his prime. Trade Keldon Johnson if need be to get him. Ensure that the Atlanta 2025 pick and the Boston unprotected pick remain, along with the Spurs' own picks from 2026 onwards but the Charlotte, Chicago, Atlanta swap and 2027 unprotected, the Minnesota swap and Minnesota unprotected picks along with Keldon can be a good package for Markkanen.
2. Get a competent wing player on a reasonable FA contract - Gary Trent Jr should be first choice, Isaac Okoro can be second choice and Caleb Martin can be third choice. The last two can come for relatively cheap too. Try to get Haywood Highsmith on an one-year contract or a reasonable one.
3. A team which has CP3, Vassell, Okoro, Markannen, Wemby backed up by Jones, Castle, Sochan, Highsmith, Bassey/Collins and an extended bench with Wesley, Cissoko, Champagnie, Ingram and Collins/Bassey can contend for the play-offs at least if Wemby's progression into All NBA First Team player and DPOY happens as per expectations and Markkanen performs to his All-Star expectations even as Vassell grows into a more useful No 3. Castle can be eased into the starting lineup over time.
4. I believe that the Atlanta pick for 2025 can be a lottery pick and the Spurs can ride their luck to get a decent player in the Top 10 next year despite being playoff contending this year. And they can try the 2026 Free agent market for another star if Markannen/ Vassell fail to deliver.
Last edited by Spursfanfromafar; 07-04-2024 at 07:42 AM.
I understand there’s no easy path to contention that’s why I’m in the minority of the fan base that would rather sit back and let our FO cook and view the results before I decide I have a problem with them. Again Wemby just finished his rookie season. As good as regular success sounds I think it’s smarter to see how our younger players develop first. Some of them aren’t even legal drinking age yet. I’d rather they take another year to see what they have than to potentially give up on a young player too soon.
Moves like LM are for when you already have an established iden y and you’re looking for a final piece to put you over the top. The Spurs aren’t in the business of looking for a final piece yet. At best this is a 32 win team. Use next years draft picks to add another core piece and establish a firm direction of the team. Then you use your assets to make moves that will put you over the top.
Football careers are generally much shorter than basketball careers and football players come into the league older than when basketball players do. Not sure how good a comparison that is.
Right now the Spurs are where they need to be. I don’t believe in making knee jerk win now moves that raise your floor but don’t put you in contention status.
My opinion is that players develop way better in a winning enviroment, that's why we developed so many great role players when we were winning and competing.
Check out that other topic about potential wings we could get.Moves like LM are for when you already have an established iden y and you’re looking for a final piece to put you over the top. The Spurs aren’t in the business of looking for a final piece yet. At best this is a 32 win team. Use next years draft picks to add another core piece and establish a firm direction of the team. Then you use your assets to make moves that will put you over the top.
I made a really long list and I'm so high on Markkanen because he's easily the best fit in the entire league in terms of basketball fit with Wemby, age and availabilty.
And as of late window contentions in the NBA are way shorter than they should be.Football careers are generally much shorter than basketball careers and football players come into the league older than when basketball players do. Not sure how good a comparison that is.
Denver won, looked like a dynasty in the making and now they're on the decline due to having three max deals.
Remember those games at the end of the season when every starter except Wemby got shut down?Right now the Spurs are where they need to be. I don’t believe in making knee jerk win now moves that raise your floor but don’t put you in contention status.
And third stringers played on the level of our starters?
We don't really have many young players who could develop.
And trading for Markkanen wouldn't take away from any of them because he's a type of player we're missing. Forward with elite shooting.
Remember when PATFO actually tried to improve the roster while we were on top?
Why chase JKidd if you're already the reigning champion?
Why chase Jermaine O'Neal?
Why trade George Hill for an unknown kid who can't dribble or shoot the ball?
If there's a move that makes perfect sense, you make it.
Noone is asking them to trade for Trae or to sign a 34 year old PG on a 5 year deal.
I can get behind this especially if the Spurs keep those two ATL picks. Those are vital. The only problem is I suspect the Jazz will ask for them.
Oh stop being a let’s take this further, I will film it all and expose you for the you are. Either you apologize or be crippled for life
someone call brian wright and tell him if he doesn't trade for Jokic he's fired.
How old was Tim Duncan? This false equivalency and apples-to-oranges comparison from different eras (and comparing a player in LeBron who jumped ship like the biggest asshole ever) needs to stop. There's no reason at all to just mail it in 6 years because "MJ and LeBron had to wait." Guarantee you they didn't want to and neither did their fans.
As if Lebron not winning before he left the Cavs is a good thing.
Cavs were beyond incompetent.
MJ played in a different era, without much movement of high-end talent.
I've never understood this response. Why come to a message board then? You know full well it's a place for hardcore fans to commiserate about their team.
Much of what you see here you'd see on virtually every board about every team in every sport.
It's not about "knowing more than them", it's about them doing a "better" (a lot of is luck) job than the other 29 front offices because for the last three quarters of a decade, they've done a lousy one and would still be in the wilderness if they didn't luck into a whopping third GOAT prospect.
On top of that, they do myriad things that other franchises don't do because of this holier than thou crap.
It's absolutely fair game to criticize and pontificate, but if it bothers you so much, you know what to do . . .
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