I think it's easy to remember things off the top of your head and assume they worked that way without trying to evidence it. The point I was making wasn't that the Spurs didn't have offensive issues. We all know they sucked the first half of the season, and we all know why. The question is, were the Spurs particularly bad at throwing lobs. This is how it broke down, according to NBA.com
TEAM D MAKE D ATTS D% L MAKE L ATTS L% TOT MAKE TOT ATTS TOT% UTH 105 109 96.3% 32 52 61.5% 137 161 85.1% DAL 104 117 88.9% 18 35 51.4% 122 152 80.3% ATL 88 95 92.6% 27 47 57.4% 115 142 81.0% BRK 79 88 89.8% 38 36 105.6% 117 124 94.4% SAS 53 61 86.9% 33 50 66.0% 86 111 77.5% BOS 59 73 80.8% 23 36 63.9% 82 109 75.2% DEN 73 81 90.1% 14 26 53.8% 87 107 81.3% CLE 75 83 90.4% 14 21 66.7% 89 104 85.6% LAL 62 66 93.9% 28 37 75.7% 90 103 87.4% MIN 79 84 94.0% 8 19 42.1% 87 103 84.5% MKE 56 63 88.9% 23 30 76.7% 79 93 84.9% CHA 65 73 89.0% 11 16 68.8% 76 89 85.4% GS 58 60 96.7% 18 29 62.1% 76 89 85.4% LAC 52 60 86.7% 13 24 54.2% 65 84 77.4% ORL 44 50 88.0% 18 26 69.2% 62 76 81.6% POR 36 43 83.7% 20 33 60.6% 56 76 73.7% DET 49 57 86.0% 11 14 78.6% 60 71 84.5% MIA 37 46 80.4% 16 22 72.7% 53 68 77.9% OKC 39 43 90.7% 12 21 57.1% 51 64 79.7% WSH 31 36 86.1% 18 26 69.2% 49 62 79.0% MEM 26 33 78.8% 8 16 50.0% 34 49 69.4% SAC 26 30 86.7% 16 18 88.9% 42 48 87.5% IND 32 36 88.9% 6 10 60.0% 38 46 82.6% TOR 21 24 87.5% 15 21 71.4% 36 45 80.0% NYK 25 30 83.3% 7 15 46.7% 32 45 71.1% PHL 22 25 88.0% 9 18 50.0% 31 43 72.1% PHX 15 19 78.9% 9 16 56.3% 24 35 68.6% NOP 15 17 88.2% 12 16 75.0% 27 33 81.8% CHI 10 11 90.9% 5 5 100.0% 15 16 93.8% HOU 8 8 100.0% 0 2 0.0% 8 10 80.0%
So it looks like the Spurs were above-average in lob attempts (5th), though their conversion percentage was not great (23rd). Some fans wanted to lay the explanation of those missed connections solely on the Spurs being a terrible passing team, and that was silly. A lot of those passes were ill-advised attempts to get a Wemby who wasn't open the ball in the belief that they could just "throw it up there and he'll get it". Of course that doesn't mean the passers couldn't improve, just as Wemby would. Paul will hopefully get Castle on the right track and help the others. But the thing that will help the conversion chances the most will be the team as a whole getting the timing down appropriately. The big shouldn't be under the basket calling for the ball like he's a shooter on the perimeter, especially when there were multiple defenders specifically watching him looking for the pass. That's not a good passing window. Maybe this Turkey game will show Victor in similar situations. But I don't believe it will.
My whole thing is that Wemby is going to be so much better than he is now, and I don't know if many people have accepted that. He has to be allowed to take his lumps and improve rather than having people try to cause rifts with his teammates or force the Spurs into going all-in on him. He's hopefully going to grow crazy fast, but he still has to be allowed to be a raw player and a young man.
Comparing him to regular people is beyond re ed. He got missed on more passes than anyone else had dunks. Saying "he got his share" is embarrassing. Doubling down on it with stats is, well, only something you would do.
I mean, yes, I don't think it's a bad thing to show Wemby was targeted for a ton of lobs and that the Spurs were one of the lobbier teams in the NBA to counteract the idea that the team is full of terrible passers who couldn't see a guy wide open. Wemby is superlative, but there are other prolific lob-catchers in the NBA. A lot of them lack his extreme profile, but they also have better technique, and that shows in the conversion stats. I don't think it's helpful to go "we all know the missed him a ton" without trying to evidence it. I think a lot of folks who "know" that assumed Wemby SHOULD be able to do all this stuff at this level beyond anyone else as a rookie, and when he was just top-three assumed there had to be some unique reason to explain it other than him and the team being young and trying to learn how to make lobs work at the NBA level.Comparing him to regular people is beyond re ed. He got missed on more passes than anyone else had dunks. Saying "he got his share" is embarrassing. Doubling down on it with stats is, well, only something you would do.
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He will be better. And I expect him to be better going forward when he’s 25-30. He needs to grow as a player and learn how to play ofc. I don’t think that Wemby himself forces the Spurs to go all in trading for Lauri, but rather than the situation itself forces the Spurs to go all in.
1. Paul aside, we still have one of the youngest rosters in the league. Adding a 27 year old doesn’t make the team very old going forward. And a perfect fit for Wemby too in a shooter who doesn’t need all the touches. Also it doesn’t kill our future to trade away our picks and keep Atlanta’s picks. I mean 3FRPs from the Spurs and the Chi pick seems like an offer Utah would take. We still would have picks in each draft if we did that.
2. Pop is very old and maybe has 2 more seasons in him as a coach. On a personal note, I’d like to see him go out on a winner instead of whimpering on another tanking team. The team needs to learn how to win and Wemby needs to n ow the standard sooner rather than later.
3. How competent is our FO? Do we trust them in choosing right draft pick. Everybody’s of the same opinion to put the future of the franchise in Brian Wrongs hands going forward and tbh I think that is a bad decision. I personally believe that getting a known commodity over Wrongs “known” commodity isn’t worth the gamble.
4. And speaking of gambles, what if we end up doing really well next season and get the 12th pick in the draft and our own picks are consistently in the 12-14 range. Are we saying that Lauri isn’t better than picks in the 12-15 range? We are so sure that we can find the diamond in the rough even though we constantly choose the wrong player when we are in that range? Theres no guarantee that we will end up in the top 4 again next year. Odds are we would be around 12
What's the link to those dunks, lobs stats page on NBA.com?
I know it's Turkiye but Wemby looked like a basketball super soldier yesterday
2:23 - that Wemby block on the three point line and the handles on the steal recovery like Wemby has the ball on a yo-yo.
Is it just me, or does he look like he has more control of of massive limbs in this game - making him more agile and faster.
Hey, does France have Nolan Traore (17 year old PG) playing? If yes, how did he do?
It looks like France is going veteran-heavy. Wemby is the only young guy. Traore, Risaccher and Sarr aren't listed on the preliminary roster.
I think I saw Coulibaly on the roster too, though I only saw him during garbage time.
You know Wemby is thinking about how legendary a gold medal at his first Olympics, in Paris, over the USA would be...
He played earlier in the game too.
Did you happen to have the link to those lob/dunk stats from NBA.com that you posted above. I wouldn't mind taking a look there. I can't seem to find it.
I had to actually make that list myself by going into the team stats of each NBA team and looking at their alley-oop attempts. For example if you go here: https://www.nba.com/stats/team/16106...Regular+Season
And scroll all the way down to where it says "Shot Type", the top two results are "Alley Oop Dunk Shot" and "Alley Oop Layup Shot". I went through every team's page and pulled that data, plunked it into Excel and made a table. I imagine a more savvy person than I could've run script to scrape that data, but that's not in my wheelhouse.
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