There is Markannen to Spurs Buzz

[scott]

Great example of overvaluing of draft picks in the Pelicans example poopbox mentioned above.

Also, wanted to address the criticism that Lauri isn’t enough of a self-creator… but why would we want that? The fact that he does what he does, with the efficiency that he does it, is what makes him a good fit. A self creator doesn’t fit as well with Wemby as Devin - Lauri’s game is as close to a perfect match as it gets.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'll say it again, I don't understand why would Kings want Markkanen?
Their biggest issue is that they need to somehow build a good defense around Sabonis, like Nuggets did around Jokic.
He's a non-factor defensively and having Markkanen next to him would make things even worse.

If Kings aren't willing to give up Keegan Murray, what's even their offer? The best they can do is '27, '29, '31 FRPs, they traded away their '25.

I don't even understand why they wanted Sabonis. They are just a stupid franchise.

[BatManu20]

He’s not trash, but you have to factor in everything but especially his role and how he plays if he were in SA.

Surprised more people haven’t mentioned his injury concerns either tbh. Lauri’s only played 60+ games 3 times in his 7 seasons, and he’s never played 70 games in a single season.

[mo7888]

Great example of overvaluing of draft picks in the Pelicans example poopbox mentioned above.

Also, wanted to address the criticism that Lauri isn’t enough of a self-creator… but why would we want that? The fact that he does what he does, with the efficiency that he does it, is what makes him a good fit. A self creator doesn’t fit as well with Wemby as Devin - Lauri’s game is as close to a perfect match as it gets.

For us, a self creator type needs to be a bench guy that can log minutes with the 1st team as needed... I'm not saying being a self creator is a bad thing, it's just not the main thing we need in the 1st unit.

[LeBowen]

Great example of overvaluing of draft picks in the Pelicans example poopbox mentioned above.

Also, wanted to address the criticism that Lauri isn’t enough of a self-creator… but why would we want that? The fact that he does what he does, with the efficiency that he does it, is what makes him a good fit. A self creator doesn’t fit as well with Wemby as Devin - Lauri’s game is as close to a perfect match as it gets.

CP3/Devin/Castle/Lauri/Wemby lineup has four players who can create and playmake, four good shooters, four positive defenders.
If Castle is as good as advertised and CP3 isn't completely washed, we're right in that top6 seed race with second tier playoff teams.
Then if we're actually doing well, we can get another 3-D wing at the deadline.

Do people not see how ing good Wemby is? If Spurs get over .500 this season, I'd be willing to bet anything he finishes top5 in MVP race.

[Ariel]

Zach Collins
SA26 (with swaps attached)
SA28 (with swaps attached)
SA30 (with swaps attached)
MIN31

This framework is costly but not unreasonable. The only thing I'd try is to avoid moving the Spurs own '26 pick with swap rights attached, it's another class that comes with a lot of hype and Atlanta is hanging by a thread. You can instead offer Spurs own 29' unprotected pick instead, Chicago '25, or Sochan, or swap Collins for Keldon. That package would include 2 high upside picks (that Dallas '30 swap looks juicy, Luka might be Jabba the Hutt or in another team by then; Minnesota could also come crashing if Anthony Edwards leaves or is traded) plus the rest of the assets. I seriously doubt Utah gets a better package than that, and is as far as I'd go (and not my first offer for sure). And if they do, well, good for them.

[scott]

This framework is costly but not unreasonable. The only thing I'd try is to avoid moving the Spurs own '26 pick with swap rights attached, it's another class that comes with a lot of hype and Atlanta is hanging by a thread. You can instead offer Spurs own 29' unprotected pick instead, Chicago '25, or Sochan, or swap Collins for Keldon. That package would include 2 high upside picks (that Dallas '30 swap looks juicy, Luka might be Jabba the Hutt or in another team by then; Minnesota could also come crashing if Anthony Edwards leaves or is traded) plus the rest of the assets. I seriously doubt Utah gets a better package than that, and is as far as I'd go (and not my first offer for sure). And if they do, well, good for them.

Yeah, I’m flexible on what the picks are, outside of SA30 and MIN31, which I presume are musts in the deal, because of the unique value proposition to Utah and Utah only. After that, Ainge can have his pick of our other picks other than the 2025 picks (unless he wants to take the worst of SA/ATL, which I doubt).

I include SA26 and SA28 in my proposal because those picks uniquely fit the picks that Utah already has. They have gaps in the even years and are flush with picks in the odd years. Maybe Ainge actually prefers that so he can own a large share of certain drafts (the odd years). It doesn’t matter to me. But my top offer is SA30 + MIN31 (again, because they are uniquely valuable to Ainge) plus two other unprotected FRPs - BUT you have to take Collins. If you don’t want Collins, then it’s 3 FRPs and 1 Swap.

As badly as I want Lauri, I’d be happy just knowing that was our offer. If someone else blew their load to beat it, then so be it, we can only control our side of the deal.

Edit: One other clarification, in my "line" - 2025 picks are off the table unless it's for Worst of SA/ATL, but I actually really want both 25 picks. I'm gearing up for my next 5 year coreCore to be Wemby + Lauri + Devin + Castle + SA25 + ATL25.

[scott]

CP3/Devin/Castle/Lauri/Wemby lineup has four players who can create and playmake, four good shooters, four positive defenders.
If Castle is as good as advertised and CP3 isn't completely washed, we're right in that top6 seed race with second tier playoff teams.
Then if we're actually doing well, we can get another 3-D wing at the deadline.

Do people not see how ing good Wemby is? If Spurs get over .500 this season, I'd be willing to bet anything he finishes top5 in MVP race.

Yeah, that exact starting lineup is the one in my head that I want to end up with - for exactly the reasons you outline. If we could also somehow upgrade Collins to Lopez as our backup C, and get some cheap SG depth somewhere (I’ve thrown out Lonnie to compete with Branham in microwave scorer type, but I understand Lonnie’s limitations) - then I’m pretty pleased with the second unit, which would be Tre/Bran or Lonnie/Champ/Sochan/Lopez. The Tre + Sochan combo provides a little bit of a shooting challenge, but everyone else there can shoot (theoretically anyway).

[Chinook]

21-22 offseason is 74 days, Lauri signed on the 21st day of that offseason (8/28) equal to 28.% mark of the offseason. 24-25 offseason is 110 days, the 28% mark of that offseason is the 32nd day which is 8/06.

While I legit do appreciate the arithmetic, that's not really what I'm asking. I haven't seen a reason to believe the NBA did what you're saying.

Also, 08/28 is the 25th day (or 26th since 08/03 should count). And yes, 08/03, not 08/06. The end of the moratorium isn't the start of the year. But even if it were 08/06, it'd still be the 22nd (or 23rd) day. 08/06/2024 is the 36th (or 37th) day of the year because the league year started on 07/01. Using the send of the moratorium would put the 32nd day on 08/07 (or 08/06), that's true, but the proportional date should be the 37th or 39th days if using the actual league year or 33rd or 34th days if using the end of the moratorium. The NBA could round however it wants, of course, and maybe they used the moratorium dates for some reason. But I think the 08/06 date didn't come from an actual calculation of ratios as much as it did from a brute adjustment like what they do in October.

[scott]

While I legit do appreciate the arithmetic, that's not really what I'm asking. I haven't seen a reason to believe the NBA did what you're saying.

Also, 08/28 is the 25th day (or 26th since 08/03 should count). And yes, 08/03, not 08/06. The end of the moratorium isn't the start of the year. But even if it were 08/06, it'd still be the 22nd (or 23rd) day. 08/06/2024 is the 36th (or 37th) day of the year because the league year started on 07/01. Using the send of the moratorium would put the 32nd day on 08/07 (or 08/06), that's true, but the proportional date should be the 37th or 39th days if using the actual league year or 33rd or 34th days if using the end of the moratorium. The NBA could round however it wants, of course, and maybe they used the moratorium dates for some reason. But I think the 08/06 date didn't come from an actual calculation of ratios as much as it did from a brute adjustment like what they do in October.

It seems pretty NBA-like for there to be this completely arbitrary and under-communicated rule that has a massive impact on a critical function of the offseason Did the NBA Officials Union come with it?

[baseline bum]

Love people getting fixated on this hypothetical 6 FRP + Keldon offer. That is nothing more than what one poster, who I can’t even remember, said they would pay. The Spurs will obviously have a line they’re willing to go up to. Knowing their cheap asses, it’s probably embarrassingly, unrealistically low.

Ainge is very obviously leaking all this info to work in his favor. I don’t doubt 20 teams have inquired and that the Spurs, Kings and Warriors have all made substantial offers. Lauri is really good, and most teams would want him. The Doug McDermott comparisons are just deal fatigue talking. Ainge knows that Lauri is really good and knows that by leaking this information he might be able to squeeze a few more drops out of this lemon. Remember guys, Danny Ainge is actually good at this. Not like the Spurs who don’t know how to leverage the media to their advantage.

My offer, which means absolutely nothing because Brian Wright is not calling for my opinion, remains:

Zach Collins
SA26 (with swaps attached)
SA28 (with swaps attached)
SA30 (with swaps attached)
MIN31

If Utah wants Keldon instead of Collins, that’s fine - but SA26 becomes a swap (Best of SA/ATL/UTA/CLE/MIN to Utah, second best to SA).

I use those picks because I think that is what best fits Utah’s existing war chest. If they said they wanted SA27 instead of SA26, that’s also fine. But it’s 2 picks in addition to SA30 and MIN31.

If Sochan is what makes or breaks the deal, they can have him. I’m not letting Clank Sochan stop me from this deal. The fact that Sochan would be the deal breaker for some people is the most hilarious part of this to me. It would be like if we didn’t accept a massive haul for Dejounte because Atlanta refused to throw in Kevin Knox or some .

Graham and Branham could probably work salary wise too. Still think you're going to have to give the ATL 27 instead of the SAS 28 though.

[Kevin]

Glad to see people are getting more and more realistic about the price. I am up to the 26ATL pick the 30 swaps and the 31 Minny pick.

Also love that Lauri shouldn’t be acquired because he’s not good enough on ball. Trae Young wasn’t good enough off ball either. It’s always something with the asset hoarding crowd yet they’ll defend Dev’s game to the death even tho he’s mostly just a good shooter more than anything else.

[baseline bum]

2025 is a big free agency year where we can sign someone without losing all our future picks—which we’ll need to keep winning once players get too expensive under the new system, etc.

Lauri should be relatively cheap, because he’s not re-signing with the Jazz, and the Jazz need him gone so they have a much better shot at a franchise player in the 2025 draft. If Ainge is trying to screw us with ridiculous demands in those cir stances, he can screw himself. We’ll just sign Lauri (or another good player) in 2025, keep all our picks, and the Jazz can remain mired in mediocrity for an extra four to five years. Bravo Ainge, well done.

Or Utah trades Lauri somewhere else and Markannen re-signs there to get his fifth year. The 2025 free agent class isn't good outside of Markannen and Jamal Murray. Your second tier is Ingram and Randle and after that it's old guys and young restricted free agents.

[DPG21920]

It's literally exactly how it works. All of the value of these future picks they have are that the teams they got them from might be bad. But if the teams are not bad, then the picks are not high, and then they don't have very much value.

If the Jazz want the Hawks 25 pick, they want it because they feel like the Hawks might be bad this upcoming season and they can get a high draft pick out of it. But what happens if the Hawks are just the 6th seed? That pick won't even be a lottery pick. You think the Jazz are going to want that pick then? Highly unlikely.

You keep mentioning "all in". There is no such thing as "all in". "All in" insinuates that there is some optimal future opportunity that will present itself to the Spurs and it will be clear that in that moment they need to push their chips in. There is no guarantee that will happen. The only real guarantee is that all these first round picks over time will reveal themselves to be useful or not.

Remember back when the Pelicans traded Anthony Davis and got this huge collection of young players and picks? 5 years later Lonzo hasn't played in 2 years, Hart is on the Knicks, the one guy they did keep, Ingram, never helped them win even a playoff series and they now don't want to pay him on another contract, and all of those Lakers picks turned into what exactly? A bunch of nobodies and one top 10 pick, Dyson Daniels who they just traded.

The Lakers got a player who helped them win a le and go to a conference finals, and the pelicans got a bunch of players who never helped them win even 1 playoff series in 5 years, a player they currently don't want to pay, and one top 10 draft pick they they used to trade for Dejounte Murray. I am very positive they envisioned it going a different way than that.

If you look at the history of player vs lots of young players and picks traded for player...the team trading for the player usually comes out ahead in the short and long term.

Negative. Plenty of examples of teams trading picks and getting reamed.

[DPG21920]

Love people getting fixated on this hypothetical 6 FRP + Keldon offer. That is nothing more than what one poster, who I can’t even remember, said they would pay. The Spurs will obviously have a line they’re willing to go up to. Knowing their cheap asses, it’s probably embarrassingly, unrealistically low.

Ainge is very obviously leaking all this info to work in his favor. I don’t doubt 20 teams have inquired and that the Spurs, Kings and Warriors have all made substantial offers. Lauri is really good, and most teams would want him. The Doug McDermott comparisons are just deal fatigue talking. Ainge knows that Lauri is really good and knows that by leaking this information he might be able to squeeze a few more drops out of this lemon. Remember guys, Danny Ainge is actually good at this. Not like the Spurs who don’t know how to leverage the media to their advantage.

My offer, which means absolutely nothing because Brian Wright is not calling for my opinion, remains:

Zach Collins
SA26 (with swaps attached)
SA28 (with swaps attached)
SA30 (with swaps attached)
MIN31

If Utah wants Keldon instead of Collins, that’s fine - but SA26 becomes a swap (Best of SA/ATL/UTA/CLE/MIN to Utah, second best to SA).

I use those picks because I think that is what best fits Utah’s existing war chest. If they said they wanted SA27 instead of SA26, that’s also fine. But it’s 2 picks in addition to SA30 and MIN31.

If Sochan is what makes or breaks the deal, they can have him. I’m not letting Clank Sochan stop me from this deal. The fact that Sochan would be the deal breaker for some people is the most hilarious part of this to me. It would be like if we didn’t accept a massive haul for Dejounte because Atlanta refused to throw in Kevin Knox or some .

The Doug McDermott comparisons are with regards to how he scores compared to other all star that are being discussed in terms of the cost to get Lauri vs them.

[DPG21920]

Great example of overvaluing of draft picks in the Pelicans example poopbox mentioned above.

Also, wanted to address the criticism that Lauri isn’t enough of a self-creator… but why would we want that? The fact that he does what he does, with the efficiency that he does it, is what makes him a good fit. A self creator doesn’t fit as well with Wemby as Devin - Lauri’s game is as close to a perfect match as it gets.

Thats just wrong IMO and beside the point of why SA would want/need that, it comes down to skillset and cost. There are plenty of guys who for much cheaper can provide that type of spacing and skillet and not cost you 4 first round picks and Keldon or Sochan.

[LeBowen]

Thats just wrong IMO and beside the point of why SA would want/need that, it comes down to skillset and cost. There are plenty of guys who for much cheaper can provide that type of spacing and skillet and not cost you 4 first round picks and Keldon or Sochan.

Why can't you end this discussion, then?
Please name any realistic wing targets.
Please do.

Don't you see that a handful of us is actually trying to argument our takes, I posted the wing situation breakdown for the entire league and then someone like yourself is like nahhh, there's plenty of targets without ever providing a single actually realistic target. Yeah, I'd also want Ant, Brown or Tatum, but it's not going to happen.

[vy65]

Hield to GSW in a sign and trade. That should put them right up against the first apron.

[kobyz]

If Spurs has indication that Lauri prefer to come here to play longside Wemby for years to come, spurs should not offer more than two non lottery picks

[Dejounte]

Why can't you end this discussion, then?
Please name any realistic wing targets.
Please do.

Don't you see that a handful of us is actually trying to argument our takes, I posted the wing situation breakdown for the entire league and then someone like yourself is like nahhh, there's plenty of targets without ever providing a single actually realistic target. Yeah, I'd also want Ant, Brown or Tatum, but it's not going to happen.

Yeah, seriously. You can not like a guy for a team, but you can’t make up about how there will be many better options in the future. That’s where these guys get stuck and have nobody to name. There’s actual historical reference on what type of players are attainable… and very few of them are guys that people actually want. But no… let’s spout nonsense about how Lauri isn’t good enough and keep sitting on our pile of goods for what? Nothing.

No concrete plan. Just keep wishing for the best and that’s it.

[Mr. Body]

Some people here have massive issues with impulse control.

[scott]

Thats just wrong IMO and beside the point of why SA would want/need that, it comes down to skillset and cost. There are plenty of guys who for much cheaper can provide that type of spacing and skillet and not cost you 4 first round picks and Keldon or Sochan.

You say this, and then you follow up with names like Cam Johnson. Cam Johnson may offer a vaguely similar spacing and skillset, the same way Keldon Johsnon offers vaguely similar spacing and skillset to Jaylen Brown.

But, I think we're all willing to hear this list of names, since there are plenty of them. I'm not aware of a lot of 7'0" 50/40/90 guys (on a high volume of 3P shots) in this league.

[scott]

Hield to GSW in a sign and trade. That should put them right up against the first apron.

From what I've read from the cap experts, still doesn't take GSW out of the Lauri sweepstakes because they have plenty of matching salary they can send out.

[scott]

Some people here have massive issues with impulse control.

Tell us about why you still visit and post to this website.

Unable to control the impulse?

[DPG21920]

Why can't you end this discussion, then?
Please name any realistic wing targets.
Please do.

Don't you see that a handful of us is actually trying to argument our takes, I posted the wing situation breakdown for the entire league and then someone like yourself is like nahhh, there's plenty of targets without ever providing a single actually realistic target. Yeah, I'd also want Ant, Brown or Tatum, but it's not going to happen.

Lmao I did exactly what was asked of me. I was told it’s completely hypothetical so I gave my hypothetical targets. Why are you mad I did exactly what was asked of me?

Cam Johnson completely realistic target. Jerami Grant. Simone Fontecchio. Several examples.