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[benefactor]

Why does Mr. Body hate white players? Are you some disgruntled black Boomer who thinks white players aren't any good?

[Mr. Body]

We get it, you think Markannen sucks.

Great reading, champ.

I've said bending over and ting out all our picks like you want to do is stupid. And nonsensical.



I don't get the desperation you have to give up everything we have. It doesn't even matter what player.

[benefactor]

Remember, he wanted to trade down if it came to picking Reed Shepperd

[baseline bum]

Great reading, champ.

I've said bending over and ting out all our picks like you want to do is stupid. And nonsensical.



I don't get the desperation you have to give up everything we have. It doesn't even matter what player.

You think Markannen sucks if you think two protected firsts and Keldon Johnson is his trade value. Pretty much anyone that wants him can and will beat that offer.

[baseline bum]

Why does Mr. Body hate white players? Are you some disgruntled black Boomer who thinks white players aren't any good?

He loves Zach Collins for some reason and thinks he's worth $17 million a year.

[exstatic]

Well I'm working off the assumption that he's going to sign a long-term deal. That is a given

Not in our history. Dropping a bag on an ending contract would be like Charlie Brown running up to Lucy holding the ball, just one more time.

You can’t throw the bag on an ending contract. That could be a catastrophic mistake from which the franchise may never recover. It’s much more consequential than a couple of missed draft picks.

[exstatic]

I believe Don Harris is an insider, have seen him break news before.

he says it could be Jeremy + Keldon + 1 first round pick that’s not an ATL pick

I would miss Jeremy, but would be so down for that.

[tbdog]

Warriors beat that offer though.

[benefactor]

Not in our history. Dropping a bag on an ending contract would be like Charlie Brown running up to Lucy holding the ball, just one more time.

You can’t throw the bag on an ending contract. That could be a catastrophic mistake from which the franchise may never recover. It’s much more consequential than a couple of missed draft picks.

The deal is predicated on him signing. If he doesn't there is no deal.

[exstatic]

Warriors beat that offer though.

With what? Ainge is said to want young players, since he has all the FRPs he can manage. He would want Kuminga, who GS wouldn’t even include in a deal for an All NBA player, PG 13.

[benefactor]

Him signing a Max contract with the Spurs is part of the deal. I'm not sure where you've missed that

[vy65]

Not in our history. Dropping a bag on an ending contract would be like Charlie Brown running up to Lucy holding the ball, just one more time.

You can’t throw the bag on an ending contract. That could be a catastrophic mistake from which the franchise may never recover. It’s much more consequential than a couple of missed draft picks.

Well this is the problem though: there is never going to be a “perfect trade” that ticks off every box with no downside. If the plan is to trade for stars that become available, there are going to be a range of possible criticisms: he’s a malcontent; the asking price is too high; he doesn’t fit the timeline; he doesn’t fit a position of need; he’s going to have to be extended; we’re going to have to take back bad contracts; etc.

They committed themselves to an approach when they traded 8. That’s fine, but you gotta live with that approach. You can’t go back now and say “it’s not in our dna to make this type of trade or that.” The FO made this bed, and now they have to sleep in it.

[baseline bum]

With what? Ainge is said to want young players, since he has all the FRPs he can manage. He would want Kuminga, who GS wouldn’t even include in a deal for an All NBA player, PG 13.

Then the Spurs are royally ed since Keldon is replacement level and Sochan is even worse.

[exstatic]

The deal is predicated on him signing. If he doesn't there is no deal.

He can’t. We’ve turned this over 15 different ways in this thread, and there’s no way to do an extend and trade. He can’t extend until mid August. There is a 6 month moratorium after extending until you can trade him. That is after the trade deadline. If you trade him, there’s a 6 month moratorium before you can extend him. There’s also an issue of his current salary being a limiter of his new extension. You can use cap room to give him a raise, then extend him, but the new rule is that you have to be at the floor by the first day of the season, not the end of the season like befor, limiting the cap room you can carry into the season, and therefore, the raise you can give him. He’s not particularly happy there, and likely won’t just blindly extend, and give Ainge that kind of control over his future.

[Spurs Homer]

I would give up vassell before sochan --
and

all these posters posting spurs lineups with castle as an off guard - i hope are wrong -
i would play him point coming off the bench so that by next season - should paul be gone - castle would be ready -

I would just give paul the assignment that castle is his apprentice all season and to get him ready to take over -

unless the spurs go chasing for another pg - but that would just magnify the blunder of letting dilly go for nothing

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Jazz have quan y not quality of FRP. The Spurs are the only team with quality FRP on offer.

[exstatic]

Well this is the problem though: there is never going to be a “perfect trade” that ticks off every box with no downside. If the plan is to trade for stars that become available, there are going to be a range of possible criticisms: he’s a malcontent; the asking price is too high; he doesn’t fit the timeline; he doesn’t fit a position of need; he’s going to have to be extended; we’re going to have to take back bad contracts; etc.

They committed themselves to an approach when they traded 8. That’s fine, but you gotta live with that approach. You can’t go back now and say “it’s not in our dna to make this type of trade or that.” The FO made this bed, and now they have to sleep in it.

You should never mentally lock yourself into any deal. Always be prepared to move to the next one, rather than get Ainge-raped.

[exstatic]

Then the Spurs are royally ed since Keldon is replacement level and Sochan is even worse.

I Think NBA personnel value Sochan much differently that STers.

[benefactor]

He can’t. We’ve turned this over 15 different ways in this thread, and there’s no way to do an extend and trade. He can’t extend until mid August. There is a 6 month moratorium after extending until you can trade him. That is after the trade deadline. If you trade him, there’s a 6 month moratorium before you can extend him. There’s also an issue of his current salary being a limiter of his new extension. You can use cap room to give him a raise, then extend him, but the new rule is that you have to be at the floor by the first day of the season, not the end of the season like befor, limiting the cap room you can carry into the season, and therefore, the raise you can give him. He’s not particularly happy there, and likely won’t just blindly extend, and give Ainge that kind of control over his future.

I know all this. He agrees to the extension when the time comes. What makes you think it won't work out here? He is literally a perfect fit.

[baseline bum]

I Think NBA personnel value Sochan much differently that STers.

Based on what? All these GMs beating down the Spurs door to trade for him?

[PhantomDashCam]

Playing devil's advocate for a minute:

Wouldn't moving Sochan in a package for Lauri be a shift in Defensive prognostication the team seems to be building towards (especially after drafting Castle)?
ie. Switching 1 through 4 with Wemby as the Utimate bailout, roaming big?

I can see the argument on both sides - A Defensive-Utilitarian role player vs. Offensive All-Star.

Obviously the Spurs need shooting and offensive firepower around Wemby but wouldn't the Spurs rather gamble with picks rather than
a budding defensive specialist?

[benefactor]

He comes to the Spurs knowing that this is his future. He knows he's going to sign. The Spurs don't make the trade unless both parties are agreed on this level.

[Chinook]

So assuming the deal is Graham, Johnson, Sochan and X picks for Mark

That would put the Spurs at about $20.4 Million for 12 players and Mamu's hold. If the Spurs are legit targeting DeRozan, you'd think that would be plenty of space to sign him. Then they'd have to room exception, which I've been using on Osman for convenience

Paul, Jones, Wesley
Vassell, Castle, Branham
DeRozan, Champagnie, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

So two spots open with the room exception outstanding.

To me, that bench needs a ton of help. The starting lineup also have massive "too many cooks in the kitchen" vibes. Moving DeRozan to the bench and bringing up Castle helps with both, though Jones and Collins being shaky shooters means the bench could have spacing issues as well. If we're talking about a one-year deal for DMDR or a team option in the second year, I think it might be a pretty decent experiment that probably has a second year in it if things look promising but could easily tech into a continued rebuild if things fall apart.

[scott]

I know all this. He agrees to the extension when the time comes. What makes you think it won't work out here? He is literally a perfect fit.

Yeah, there is always the risk that it doesn't work out and the player doesn't extend. That risk existed when Toronto traded for Jak, Indy traded for Siakam and NYK traded for OG, but those players still extended with those teams because the trades played out exactly how both sides expected it to. This is just a higher stakes version of those instances.

What would cause Lauri to not want to extend should be traded here is that Pop completely loses his mind and does something like play Sochan at PG for 82 games while having Lauri play a 15-min off the bench guy. Yeah, in that scenario, Lauri is gonna say " you idiots" and walk away. I have plenty to criticize Pop for, but I don't think he's a complete lunatic in that sort of way.

It's fine to consider the risk that Lauri doesn't extend, but you actually have to game out the scenarios where that happens, which involves the team and the player/agent chatting with each other before a deal is commenced. If you get the sense he's a closet psychopath or prima donna, then you don't do the deal. You definitely don't due the deal blindly and just hope for the best. There is due diligence involved.

Anyone want to do a bet that if Lauri is traded, he will resign with the team that trades for him? I'm extremely confident in that.

[exstatic]

I know all this. He agrees to the extension when the time comes. What makes you think it won't work out here? He is literally a perfect fit.

I think he’ll work great, I’m just opposed to throwing a pick bag at an ending contract. Players word is worth spit if something else comes up.