2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[John B]

I want the Latvian laser back!

[DPG21920]

It's a quite standard salary dump trade.

Now, the big question is what Spurs will do with that extra cap space? Taking one of Barnes/Huerter or something else?

Another question is how good is the second round pick Spurs traded away.

My guess is Spurs not only get Barnes or Huerter, but that they recoup the 2nd they sent out + another for facilitation of the deal.

[Mr. Body]

My guess is Spurs not only get Barnes or Huerter, but that they recoup the 2nd they sent out + another for facilitation of the deal.

Huerter or Barnes is probably the reward for facilitating. They're both legitimately good players, not throw-ins. In fact, I think the Spurs throw a second or two in.

[Chinook]

Functionally speaking, the Spurs have $16,623,950 in cap space. That assumes the team would renounce Mamu and Duke (whom they could re-sign on the free-agent market anyway) but not waive Champ or Bassey or waive/trade anyone else. It includes Paul and Castle as well.

One can't underrate the idea that the Spurs could just use that salary to sign a guy. If they're actually in on DeRozan, that's likely the best offer he'd get. It's not quite enough to take Huerter, and unless Paul would take a slight hair-cut to make it work, the Spurs would have to waive a player or include one in the trade which would allow the team to also bring in Barnes.

[DPG21920]

What did we get back from CHA? A fake second?

Certainly the Spurs have some kind of plans, otherwise it doesn't make sense to give up an SRP just to save $2.8MM by dumping Graham. The only explanation would be that we are cheap asses... oh wait, I figured it out.

Nah - SA will definitely be getting someone via trade or just a FA using cap space. My guess is it’s SAC/CHI deal and Spurs will recoup their 2nd + land Barnes or Huerter which is fantastic

[DPG21920]

Huerter or Barnes is probably the reward for facilitating. They're both legitimately good players, not throw-ins. In fact, I think the Spurs throw a second or two in.

I disagree. They are both on 2 year deals, SAC has to move one of them to get DeRozan. Maybe they dont have to send out a 2nd, but no way IMO does SA send out another pick Im guessing (I dont care if they do though, wouldn’t bother me)

[scott]

Nah - SA will definitely be getting someone via trade or just a FA using cap space. My guess is it’s SAC/CHI deal and Spurs will recoup their 2nd + land Barnes or Huerter which is fantastic

The Graham deal on it's own is the same as selling SRPs. They gave an SRP to save $2.8MM (which is actually a good deal, compared to what they usually get for selling SRPs IIRC). Now, I agree with you that they likely make some other move... but those are kind of independent to this.

[DPG21920]

Functionally speaking, the Spurs have $16,623,950 in cap space. That assumes the team would renounce Mamu and Duke (whom they could re-sign on the free-agent market anyway) but not waive Champ or Bassey or waive/trade anyone else. It includes Paul and Castle as well.

One can't underrate the idea that the Spurs could just use that salary to sign a guy. If they're actually in on DeRozan, that's likely the best offer he'd get. It's not quite enough to take Huerter, and unless Paul would take a slight hair-cut to make it work, the Spurs would have to waive a player or include one in the trade which would allow the team to also bring in Barnes.

Yup. Waive Bassey or my preference? Include Branham or Blake to CHI

[Obstructed_View]

I want the Latvian laser back!

[DPG21920]

The Graham deal on it's own is the same as selling SRPs. They gave an SRP to save $2.8MM (which is actually a good deal, compared to what they usually get for selling SRPs IIRC). Now, I agree with you that they likely make some other move... but those are kind of independent to this.

Sure but I dont see how they are independent? Why would spurs need to sell a SRP? They only do this if they have a need with cap space IMO so I think it’s directly related and not just a money saving move. If they do nothing with that extra space then I definitely agree it’s a money thing.

[Mr. Body]

I disagree. They are both on 2 year deals, SAC has to move one of them to get DeRozan. Maybe they dont have to send out a 2nd, but no way IMO does SA send out another pick Im guessing (I dont care if they do though, wouldn’t bother me)

That's from a fan's perspective. There always seems to be an underlying gentleman's agreement sort of system for exchanging assets in the NBA. Sure, there are dumb GMs and aggressive GMs, but overall there's a sense of value that seems to underpin movements. A player like Barnes or Huerter is not a player a team simply gets for free. Junk contracts would come for free.

I'm not advocating giving up anything further, just a su ion of how the league works.

[Mr. Body]

The Graham deal on it's own is the same as selling SRPs. They gave an SRP to save $2.8MM (which is actually a good deal, compared to what they usually get for selling SRPs IIRC). Now, I agree with you that they likely make some other move... but those are kind of independent to this.

It's 100% related to some other deal. It's completely dependent on something else that's coming.

[vy65]

Harrison Barnes has negative O/DBPM and a VORP of .1. He's 32 years old and has been steadily declining. No thank you.

[Obstructed_View]

Sure but I dont see how they are independent? Why would spurs need to sell a SRP? They only do this if they have a need with cap space IMO so I think it’s directly related and not just a money saving move. If they do nothing with that extra space then I definitely agree it’s a money thing.

The way I understand it, buying the cap space allows them to absorb salary in a trade. Since they got value for the pick, and may get another pick for use of their cap space they come out ahead.

[Obstructed_View]

Harrison Barnes has negative O/DBPM and a VORP of .1. He's 32 years old and has been steadily declining. No thank you.

I hope it's a different Barnes.

[ace3g]

[scott]

If we trade for Harrison Barnes and Brandon Ingram we could have:

Harrison Barnes
Harrison Ingram
Brandon Ingram

[scott]

Sure but I dont see how they are independent? Why would spurs need to sell a SRP? They only do this if they have a need with cap space IMO so I think it’s directly related and not just a money saving move. If they do nothing with that extra space then I definitely agree it’s a money thing.

Needing cap space isn't the only reason they have for selling an SRP. The other reason is that they like money.

[Chinook]

Yup. Waive Bassey or my preference? Include Branham or Blake to CHI

If they do that, they need to be getting real value back, and I don't know that either SAC or CHI would be willing to do that. On two-year deals, it's a hard enough sell to say both Huerter and Barnes are buoyant salaries. Including a prospect the Spurs like as part of SAC's compensation on top of that should warrant a real asset going the Spurs' way.

[Truckules]

Huerter is a perfect fit, and I don't really see what Barnes adds so I'm hoping for Huerter but expecting Barnes. Hopefully, the front office is actually making a good move and not just helping Demar get to Sacramento.

[Obstructed_View]

I'M LATMAN!

[DPG21920]

That's from a fan's perspective. There always seems to be an underlying gentleman's agreement sort of system for exchanging assets in the NBA. Sure, there are dumb GMs and aggressive GMs, but overall there's a sense of value that seems to underpin movements. A player like Barnes or Huerter is not a player a team simply gets for free. Junk contracts would come for free.

I'm not advocating giving up anything further, just a su ion of how the league works.

Sure I get what you are saying and I wouldn’t care if SA gave up a 2nd to get one of them. I just really doubt it given the context and cir stances

[DPG21920]

The way I understand it, buying the cap space allows them to absorb salary in a trade. Since they got value for the pick, and may get another pick for use of their cap space they come out ahead.

Exactly - so its directly related and not independent (unless Spurs end up not using that space or needing it - then we can say SA was just selling a pick for cash)

[R. DeMurre]

Sacramento just seems to want to go against every convention in modern basketball, opting for undersized back court combos, a non defending center, and now a no 3 no D option in DeRozan. it seemed for a while like they'd turned a corner, but the tradition continues.

[DPG21920]

Needing cap space isn't the only reason they have for selling an SRP. The other reason is that they like money.

Agreed. Im just saying I wont buy that’s the case unless they end up not using the space and just ended up selling their pick for 2.8M that they didnt need