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    Sacramento just seems to want to go against every convention in modern basketball, opting for undersized back court combos, a non defending center, and now a no 3 no D option in DeRozan. it seemed for a while like they'd turned a corner, but the tradition continues.
    They accepted they'll never be able to actually contend, so they at least want to be a solid regular season team and maybe make it to the second round once in a while.
    As long as the arena is full, I guess.

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    Ahh davis betans

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    If they do that, they need to be getting real value back, and I don't know that either SAC or CHI would be willing to do that. On two-year deals, it's a hard enough sell to say both Huerter and Barnes are buoyant salaries. Including a prospect the Spurs like as part of SAC's compensation on top of that should warrant a real asset going the Spurs' way.
    I dont think spurs like all of those guys all that much and the one they dont like much goes which allows you not to waive or trade the other ones. I can see something like:

    CHI Gets: Branham + 2nd from SAC

    SAC Gets: DeRozan

    SA Gets: Barnes or Huerter + 2 2nds

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    Agreed. Im just saying I wont buy that’s the case unless they end up not using the space and just ended up selling their pick for 2.8M that they didnt need
    I get what you're saying - we're in agreement. I'm predicting we don't do something that requires that space... because that's what we always do

    I hope you are correct. I wouldn't mind Huerter or Barnes. Neither fit the "don't want 2025-26 contracts" thing we heard, but I don't care about that, personally.

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    I dont think spurs like all of those guys all that much and the one they dont like much goes which allows you not to waive or trade the other ones. I can see something like:

    CHI Gets: Branham + 2nd from SAC

    SAC Gets: DeRozan

    SA Gets: Barnes or Huerter + 2 2nds
    Would be sweet to get rid of Branham like that. The 2nds would all have to come from SAC (I see no reason CHI should give up anything here, but maybe they'd give up 1 for Bran). Barnes or Huerter + 3 SRP seems like a fair price for SAC to pay for Demar (sure beats the FRP CHI gave up for him).

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    Sacramento just seems to want to go against every convention in modern basketball, opting for undersized back court combos, a non defending center, and now a no 3 no D option in DeRozan. it seemed for a while like they'd turned a corner, but the tradition continues.
    One of their big problems was finding buckets when no one was hitting outside and DDR is that guy. He's one of the more clutch guys in the league.

    They are in a tough spot in that they aren't the top contenders, but the top of the league is so slippery right now, a move like this isn't terrible. Forgetting the EC, none of OKC, Dallas, or Minnesota are incredible or unbeatable.

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    Functionally speaking, the Spurs have $16,623,950 in cap space. That assumes the team would renounce Mamu and Duke (whom they could re-sign on the free-agent market anyway) but not waive Champ or Bassey or waive/trade anyone else. It includes Paul and Castle as well.
    I don't have this number:
    Vassell: $29.35M
    Johnson: $19M
    Collins: $16.74M
    Wembanyama: $12.77M
    Paul: $11M
    Castle: $9.1M
    Jones: $9.1M
    Sochan: $5.57M
    Branham: $3.22M
    Champagnie $3M
    Wesley: $2.62M
    Bassey: $2.5M
    Cissoko: $1.89M

    => $125.86M for 13 players.

    $14.73M in cap space. If Spurs waive Bassey, it's $17.23M.

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    Someone explain pls

    In exchange of what??
    Probably a top 59 protected second as a salary dump. Welp so much for sending him to Utah.

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    One to look up to

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    His defense is also overrated.
    He can guard wings with similar size, but he can't guard star playmakers or bigger players.
    The OKC game where Wemby sonned Chet I thought Sochan did an amazing job on SGA, who really only went off on Champagnie when Sochan was on the bench. But Jeremy is so inconsistent. You see him looking All NBA defense one night, then he's just getting torched at the three point line and the rim the next.

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    I get what you're saying - we're in agreement. I'm predicting we don't do something that requires that space... because that's what we always do

    I hope you are correct. I wouldn't mind Huerter or Barnes. Neither fit the "don't want 2025-26 contracts" thing we heard, but I don't care about that, personally.
    Ya it doesnt fit that but it does help the team and fill an obvious hole. Plus, I think as expiring next season I think they are + value guys still and Im expecting SA is getting a pick for facilitating the deal (which is smart because you rent space and actually get a useful player like Cedi last year etc)

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    I dont think spurs like all of those guys all that much and the one they dont like much goes which allows you not to waive or trade the other ones. I can see something like:

    CHI Gets: Branham + 2nd from SAC

    SAC Gets: DeRozan

    SA Gets: Barnes or Huerter + 2 2nds
    Would be sweet to get rid of Branham like that. The 2nds would all have to come from SAC (I see no reason CHI should give up anything here, but maybe they'd give up 1 for Bran). Barnes or Huerter + 3 SRP seems like a fair price for SAC to pay for Demar (sure beats the FRP CHI gave up for him).
    The Spurs have CHI25:2 (Chicago's natural second-rounder for this upcoming draft), and I would imagine that would hold decent value for a rebuilding Bulls. The Kings have four seconds they can move (or least did after the draft):

    One of SAC25:2 or POR25:2, SAC28:2, SAC29:2 and SAC31:2

    I don't know that they can afford to trade a whole bunch of them. But do you know what they can afford to trade? And unprotected 2029 swap. I think there's a good chance we see something like the Bullock trade happen again where the Spurs take salary and give up some seconds in exchange for a distant swap.

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    The Spurs have CHI25:2 (Chicago's natural second-rounder for this upcoming draft), and I would imagine that would hold decent value for a rebuilding Bulls. The Kings have four seconds they can move (or least did after the draft):

    One of SAC25:2 or POR25:2, SAC28:2, SAC29:2 and SAC31:2

    I don't know that they can afford to trade a whole bunch of them. But do you know what they can afford to trade? And unprotected 2029 swap. I think there's a good chance we see something like the Bullock trade happen again where the Spurs take salary and give up some seconds in exchange for a distant swap.
    Brian Wright's ears burning hot while you type out "S-W-A-P"

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    My guess is Spurs not only get Barnes or Huerter, but that they recoup the 2nd they sent out + another for facilitation of the deal.
    Barnes could land you some first round pick from a contender at the deadline

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    Definitely prefer Jr. Red Rocket Huerter to Barnes as a player, but maybe Barnes fits the vet leader role a little better

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    I don't have this number:
    Vassell: $29.35M
    Johnson: $19M
    Collins: $16.74M
    Wembanyama: $12.77M
    Paul: $11M
    Castle: $9.1M
    Jones: $9.1M
    Sochan: $5.57M
    Branham: $3.22M
    Champagnie $3M
    Wesley: $2.62M
    Bassey: $2.5M
    Cissoko: $1.89M

    => $125.86M for 13 players.

    $14.73M in cap space. If Spurs waive Bassey, it's $17.23M.
    Ah, so Castle signed for 120 percent of his salary slot. That and the fact that I hadn't updated the cap to reflect the slightly lower actual number explains the roughly $1.5-Million difference.
    Last edited by Chinook; 07-06-2024 at 02:02 PM.

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    Brian Wright's ears burning hot while you type out "S-W-A-P"
    D-I-S-T-A-N-T S-W-A-P*

    tbh..

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    Maybe not.

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    This is good for our remote chances at that CHA pick.



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    To add to the math, Barnes has a 10% trade kicker.

    Huerter would be interesting. There's some risk with that shoulder injury. Patty Mills shot poorly his first year after his torn labrum.

    Huerter is better in a vacuum but Barnes would be such a Spursian move it's tough to believe otherwise. Elite locker room guy who adds needed versatility at the forward spots.

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    Ah, so Castle signed for 120 percent of his salary slot. That explains the roughly $1.5-Million difference.
    First round picks automatically count for 120 percent these days, right? Last I looked, last rookie to take less than 120% was George Hill -- and that was after the Spurs threatened to not sign him at all after his poor summer league showing

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    I'd rather have Huerter cause he's younger, although we'd have a logjam at SG then and really need another PF.

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    Spursian type player Landry Shamet just became a UFA as Washington didn't offer. Career 38% 3pt shooter. What say you Spur fan?

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