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Might as well go all in and get Markkanen too. (add Branham/Wesley on the move).
CP3, Vassell, Sochan, Markkanen, Wemby
Tre, Castle, Champagnie, Barnes, Collins
Might as well go all in and get Markkanen too. (add Branham/Wesley on the move).
CP3, Vassell, Sochan, Markkanen, Wemby
Tre, Castle, Champagnie, Barnes, Collins
Good article.
I personally wanted Barnes for months now, he's a perfect wing veteran.
As someone said somewhere, I lost track, the most important thing is that Barnes is a fundamentally good defender and knows how to defend, even if he lost a step.
All he needs to do is not get completely cooked and force players towards Wemby. Very few wings look good defensively with Sabonis behind them "protecting" the rim.
I'll stay optimistic when it comes to his offense because Kings had a lot of mouths to feed, with him and Huerter sharing the 5th/6th option role.
I never take it against players when they dissapear from a game if they're just doing cardio for 5 minutes and are then expected to take a shot. Got to share the ball and keep everyone involved.
Four starters look to be set. CP3, Devin, Barnes and Wemby.
That's four positive floor spacers and hopefully four at least neutral defenders, I think two veterans will find it easy enough to not get torched with Wemby in the paint.
Three players can create for themselves and others.
Then it's between two bad shooters. Jeremy probably gets the advantage early in the season, even though I'd like to see Castle start.
Either way, one of them should be be the POA defender.
Most important thing is that the lineup and rotation is starting to look functional.
CP3/Tre should be mutually exclusive.
Devin/Branham should be the same, Branham needs to earn more minutes, he's lucky he'll get another chance.
Then we have Jeremy, Barnes, Keldon, Castle and maybe Champagnie if he survives the cut for two forward positions.
Any combination except Jeremy and Castle together works.
Castle should also get some minutes at point when CP3 sits.
Collins remains the biggest concern. I'm still hopeful we can move him for someone who's not a traffic cone. Anyone.
I really like the veteran role player additions and other than taking a flyer on someone, I'm fine with the perimeter rotation being as it is...while we wait for Markkanen situation to unfold.
More role players wouldn't bring us much, we just need young guys to take a leap.
Hopefully Castle will be ready to play the point before the deadline so one of CP3/Tre gets moved, we don't need two point guards on expiring deals.
Can't help but wonder if the money and role seem quite similar to Keldon Johnson
Both shooting SF/PF types
KJ $19, $17.5, $17.5
HB: $19.8, $20.8, UFA
So you get the third year trimmed off Keldon and replace him with another mentor role who probably matches the shooting from 3 and now is 6'8 like we always wished 6'5 Keldon was. I like KJ and hope he stays. He's good cheap scoring that seems willing to accept a bench role. KJ and Barnes certainly fit if you kept both especially as SA likely will play Barnes at PF but can't help but wonder if this trade is duplicating KJ somewhat to move on or trade away. Barnes would be a good interim stopgap in the parting ways with KJ if so.
Would not be surprised if Spurs were done with moves and this is it. Pretty pleased so far with the two vets and a brilliant rookie plus whatever progression we get in house. Not expecting much but that August Markkanen deadline looms and could spark additional moves that this may be positioning for. Works out both ways so the flexibility is there.
This is as good as it gets if the goal of the offseason was to add good vets and talented youth, IMO. They can take this a step further and turn the offseason grade from A to A+++ if they make that one move for a player whose name starts with an L…
I think Barnes has always seemed a little disinterested and half effort. Especially at SAC where he seemed pretty burned out.
Wonder what a change of scenery and locker room culture might do but I'm not expecting much. Bring back Patty for the coffee crew bonding sesh lol
Yeah super thrilled with the offseason so far! Nice work SAS FO
FAs CP3 and Barnes plus first round rookie Castle is a really exciting group onboarding. Was pretty surprised to see after last summers Bullock tier moves lol
Imo, best case scenario would be that he finds a lifeline here and decides to fully commit to being a long-term veteran contributor.
Let's hope he becomes a Finley and not a Richard Jefferson.
32 isn't old for someone as healthy as him, he could take cheap deals after this one ends and stay here for like 5 seasons in hope to win a ring or two.
Not likely to happen, but still. A lot of players had late resurgences in good enviroments.
The most intruging thing for me is CP3/Tre situation.
Last night we saw Castle is surely going to be a point guard. If not right away, then very soon.
If we're at around .500 at the deadline, does CP3 stay? What are their plans with Tre? Would be dumb to let him walk and get nothing in return, but I can see CP3 playing for two more years and if Spurs are doing well, he'll probably want to stay.
Keldon will surely be moved when a big trade happens, same goes for Collins without saying.
Jeremy needs to take a big leap and show everyone he can actually be something more than a glue guy on a playoff roster.
I don't have any hope for Branham and Wesley, I'd rather get rid of Wesley than Champagnie.
Yes, Keldon needs to go. I’d rather let go Branham and/or Wesley before we let go Tre because of Tre’s value as a leader on the team though. But if Tre is the one player an opposing GM wants to finalize a trade, by all means, go for it.
We finally have a player who can create his own shot in Castle. That’s an easy jersey purchase for me, tbh. A player with a superior handle with an ability to draw fouls in the paint AND having elite vision… man, the Spurs did it. They found their #2.
The Spurs got Risacher after all.
Hey timvp, did you ever get intel on who the Spurs intended to select at #8 had Minnesota not come calling?
Love the Finley similarities good call. Also agree with this range of Horry to Rudy Gay. Could totally see similar results and buy in assimilation into the team. Lol def walks the fine line between Fin and HWSNBN
This move has tons of potential and classic low key Spurs style. Spurs have done well on some of these reclaim projects and if you can dust off the cobwebs and get the engine running again you got a value. He's only 32 and has a low impact outside shooting skill. I was hoping to get Batum this offseason and was disappointed to see him go to LAC. This is along those same lines and really fits that PF gap in the roster favorably.
Also agree SA has a PG problem. They ran Castle as the PG last night in SAC SL. He's going to be the PG. I think we are wrong to put him at SF in threads although I bet he does play there some mins or situationally at SF and SG surely.
I'm just guessing that Castle is going to play primarily PG and start there asap. Pop may initially bring Castle off the bench but I bet he starts as soon as they can get away with it if not day 1. So what do you do cause Jones is kinda non shooting and I think Castle will shoot better than expected and learn fast but might not want to mix those so you are either pairing Castle offball with Paul at point with Jones off the bench or pushing Paul or Jones to third string PG which is absurdly wasteful of skill unless Paul has some staggering physical decline and really is more mentor than player?
Maybe we are overestimating Paul starting and it's Castle with Jones off the bench and Paul towel waving and time out teaching or getting only 10min and a heating pad? Or maybe Jones is being traded hence the move for Paul in preparation just like Barnes is in preparation to possibly move Keldon Johnson?
This is all not to mention Blake Wesley, also presumably at PG, just barely though. 3-4 PG may be too much, especially if you want to run the ball through Wemby too. Anyway not expecting much but interesting new personnel either way.
I think this hinges on a couple of things
1. What exactly was the agreement that Paul made with the front office? Because Paul has usually started off every season pretty strong and then faded down the stretch due to some injury or another. His ultimate goal is to ring chase. He knows he's only got maybe 1-2 years left. This is a bit of conspiracy theory here, but I do wonder if his goal is just to essentially take the first half of the season mostly off and play nominal minutes to preserve his body, then get traded to the contender of his choice at the trade deadline for the playoff push while he's still fresh. It's not a bad gig for him, get paid 11 million to teach some kids for the first part of the season, get a chance to observe the NBA landscape, and get traded wherever you want to give yourself the best chance at a ring while you're still fresh.
2. How much do our non-shooters improve their shooting? I don't think Sochan's going to improve too much this next year, but there's a lot more hope for Tre. He shot >40% on 2.5 3s once he became a starter last year (40+ game sample size) before hitting a slump in April.
3. Does the asking price for Lauri come down? I don't see the Spurs trading for him given how much Ainge wants, but if they did that would change things dramatically.
Wonderful move.
I do wonder what the Spurs are thinking about Tre and Keldon after these moves. If I’m Tre fighting for another contract (and seeing my bro hasn’t been signed yet), im not too happy about being buried on the bench. And Keldon’s role becomes even murkier.
I would hate to lose Champagne as part of this.
Good call on Paul maybe starting off slow. I could possibly see that. Pop did make an offer to him and it sounded like the setup was proposed in a way that was enticing to Paul. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Paul really did look like he's close to calling it quits last season and he is like 39. Kinda wondering what to expect there and ready for anything but have said before I bet he surprises us a least a few times with an old school performance.
I think this is it, at least until the LM extension is resolved, one way or another. That’s like one month away. That shouldn’t drag out, as I think he has one day to extend if he wants to be trade eligible in February. If he doesn’t extend, his price will drop like a rock as the deadline approaches.
I ain't shipping Keldon out just to move him though, as that closes the door on a Markannen trade. Really hope they can just pawn Branham off on someone without giving up assets.
I think they would've taken any kind of trade rather than draft someone from that group of turds.
Sochan needs to start the season on the bench and win his spot.
Not to punish him but we need to know what he's made of and it's the last season to see if he can become reliable.
Not cool to bench him for a rookie, then.
but but Dillingham
C'mon, please be honest about this. The pissed-off-edness isn't that we didn't take the 8 pick or Dilly, it's that we gave it away for 7 year garbage. We could have gotten much better.
I have a bit of a theory about this, but I don't want to start any up. I remember reading a few years ago that he changed to a vegan diet (I don't know if he's changed back since then, hopefully he has). I had some arguments here with people that said I don't know what I'm talking about (I never said I'm an expert or anything, but due to my own health, I've learned a lot about nutrition the past few years), but I was pretty much saying he'd fade and fall apart if he continued on with that. He started off that season great, but then sure enough, towards the end of that season and in the playoffs, he fell apart. Not sure who was giving him nutritional advice, I feel they did him a massive disservice.
Also, like you said, I'm very interested to know what the agreement was like you've mentioned. Is he here to mentor for the whole season, or is it possible that he's traded to a contender if there is someone he likes and they want him. It's very interesting what the pitch to him was. I like the signing and feel it was a great move.
"I'm way ahead of you buddy, I put in a call to LaMarcus last week!"
It’s turning to be an exciting Summer with all the moves. But first, many were dismayed with the 8th pick getting traded for a pick and swap 7 years from now?? But I remember RC with that giddy smile prior to Brian making that call. Something was up. And now some two weeks later. Spurs drafted possibly the best player in this draft, secured the services of the Point-God, got another caliber vet Harrison Barnes in a position of need, got two more unprotected FRP’s, and two unprotected swaps at the time when Wemby will be at his prime. You know when CP3 got convinced by no other than Pop to sign up, something was up. CP3 wouldn’t be spending his few years in a losing team. I predicted the Spurs getting in the playoffs (of course I get the usual naysayers). I think they still have some more magic left on their sleeves, maybe a Markkanen that should seal a perfect Summer move?
By the way, all these moves and Spurs still haven’t relinquished the Atlanta picks, particularly the heavy 2025. And diminutive Trae is not a Spur. It’s already a Win for me. But we could get greedy and finish with a home run. Brook Lopez and Markkanen next?
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