I heard that the Utah strip joints are world class. They just have to get someone to manually spin the pole while the dancer is on it.
So yes, the CBA explicitly bans trades for six months after a renegotiation and bans renegotiatons for sixth months after trades with no exceptions
Markkanen is only at risk of losing the renegotiate salary this year. He's not at risk of losing a max next year. Anyone who trades for him would be willing to max him unless we reach a point where no one wants him and a team takes him as a pure rental for cheap.
Teams might be willing to max him, but doesn’t that 40% limit apply unless teams have the cap space?
IIRC, the 40% only applies to extensions - any team can sign him to the max if they have the cap space and any team can re-sign him to a bigger max with Bird rights if they trade for him now. So in that respect, it benefits him to be traded now rather than waiting to be a FA.
Big picture, can the FO still trade for LM after this latest trade? I'm trying to see the forest and not the trees, so to speak.
Yes. Pretty much everyone who was previously reportedly interested in Lauri can still go after him. His salary is easy to match. In theory, even the Kings could probably make it work somehow if they really wanted (though they probably don't).
The main change for the Spurs is that now they'd definitely have to send out enough salary whereas before they could send out less and absorb the difference into space.
Yeah, but they'd have to either send Keldon or Collins out to match salary. Which I expected them to do all along if they made a Markannen trade anyways.
Ya - I highly doubt sa was not going to send out players anyways, and even if that was the case there’s teams like DET more than willing to take salary for draft comp
Thanks for the succinct answers. I know I'm late to the party here, and don't follow the subtle nuances of Jazz basketball, but as a team rebuilding why would the Jazz not want to make him part of their future plans?
If they’re concerned that he’s unhappy in Utah and may look to jump ship to go somewhere else next offseason, now is their chance to get a good haul of assets in return. The timing is especially good because the upcoming 2025 draft is considered to be extremely strong. If there’s a year to tank and have multiple shots in the draft then 2025 is a good year to do it.
He's not really a lead star, he's already 27. Not really a player to build around. The Jazz have so little talent that tearing down to the studs is the way to go.
They certainly want him. The question is, does he want them?
At least so far, he's raised their floor to a place that prevents them from doing what they really need to do, which is bottom out for their future star. He's kind of like DDR and DJM were for us, bouying them to 30+ win seasons when they need a 15-win season. His first year in Utah, in particular, was interesting because that was the Wemby year and they were a pre-season favorite for one of the worst teams in the league, then Lauri broke out and had them in play-in contention before they shut him down for the year.
Also I haven’t seen this mentioned here. Lauri was sat games many times in the last two years and reportedly he has said he refuses to tank any more. So if Utah does want to tank then it’s quite possible he refuses to sign with them which would really kill Utahs leverage. I think it’s highly likely he is traded before August 6th or whatever his deadline to sign is. In fact I’m sure it’s comfortably before that.
I mentioned it many times. He publicly said he'd like to stay in Utah and compete.
He wasn't happy after they shut him down for no reason.
In his two seasons in Utah, their win percentage is 46% with him and 32% without him.
I agree - gaming this all out, I'm convinced that Ainge/Zanik know they need to move Lauri, they're just trying to squeeze every last drop from suitors. It's not in Utah's best long-term interest to extend him. And the gig is up as soon as Aug 6 comes around because then a threat (extending with Utah) will get taken off the board. I'd expect him to get dealt as we get closer to the 6th.
Playing around with a three team Jazz/Spurs/Pistons deal with the Jazz saving about 18M over two years in addition to getting picks.
Spurs Get:
Lauri 18M
John Collins 26M
Jazz Get:
Zollins 16M
Evan Fournier 19M expiring
One of the ATL picks
2030 Swaps
2031 Minny pick
Pistion Get:
Keldon 19M
Fournier and Lauri's deals cancel out but Zollins makes about 18M less than John Collins over the next two years. Sure JC is the better player but the Jazz would be tanking anyway and a 18M cash savings would be pretty nice in addition to the picks. Pistons get Keldon for free and cant complain.
you have the spurs unloading 35m of salary but getting back 44
we dont have cap room, so salaries have to match
also fournier's option was declined and he is currently a free agent
Spurs should not gift even one lottery pick in a trade for Lauri, Spurs left as the only team in his running, with Warriors after latest moves won't trade for him as they'll reach the second apron, and even before you couldn't see Lauri agree to sign extension there
Not that I necessarily disagree with your logic - but the Warriors are not out of the running. It's an easy move for the Warriors if they send out Wiggins + draft capital.
they doesn't have enough draft capitals to make Utah take Wiggins while also giving them Lauri, and Markannen doesn't make sense for warriors after their latest moves
Fully agree. No way the FO give up that much for a player that still needs to be maxed out. And no way Spurs want Collins (not that this trade works as others have side w/Spurs not having cap space for both players), especially when they could have gotten him dirt cheap a year or so ago.
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I don't agree, but I hope you are right... because that is where the Spurs have an opportunity to swoop in.
With Keldon and Zollins getting sent out the Spurs could take on JC without being anywhere near the luxury tax. People are too fixated with cap space. If the Spurs add Lauri cap space is a thing of the past especially when Wemby gets paid.
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