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Wesley and Branham were fine picks. The issue could be our average or below average development staff and coaches didn't maximize their potential.
I must be in the minority but I still really like Branham as a prospect still lol he’s gonna learn tricks from CP3 on getting his shot off. He’s not a starter but I see no reason why he can’t be a barbosa type off the bench.
Wesley has shown no growth whatsoever, he plays defense because he can’t do anything else.
Wesley and Branham were fine picks. The issue could be our average or below average development staff and coaches didn't maximize their potential.
Cutting either/both does nothing to improve the cap, as they’re guaranteed, and will remain on the cap figure.
between those two you'd probably keep branham (but no way you would exercise his 4th year option)
he's been a dog and low iq defender, but at least branham has had glimpses of useful scoring ability. with his 6'10 wingspan there is a world where his defense can become adequate. he's a solid ballhandler for a 2 who has been miscast as a combo guard. post ASB he also shot close to 40% from 3. he was a good outside shooter in college. yes his release is low and that causes some problems. he's probably never going to be a shooting specialist, but he should be at least good enough from 3
wesley is so inept offensively that im not really sure what you can do with him. i love his defensive intensity, but the effectiveness of his defense waned as the year went by. he had some awesome defensive moments, but being as useless as he is on offense despite his speed... i dont see it.
besides, we just drafted castle to be the next "big, defensive specialist point guard with questions about his outside shot" prospect. no room for both alongside paul and tre. we have a decent enough PG room for now. dont have a 2 other than vassell (castle can, but i imagine they want him to eventually pivot to point full time)
That’s usually what happens with #26 picks is the point.
It was apparently really hard to pick at least one useful player from this bunch.
Yeah, Bran at least offers some value as deep bench microwave scorer type for those games you fall behind early and need someone to soak up those minutes, or your other top scorers have an off night, or depth for injuries. Wesley offers none of that. He'd be worth continuing as a project if we were still in hard tank mode searching for our star. Landing Wemby might be the worst thing to happen for Blake Wesley.
Managing to pick the two worst is just as impressive as finding the best! Not easy to do!It was apparently really hard to pick at least one useful player from this bunch.
I think in spots this is a better move than CP3 …
If they keep him and spurs are in the playoff hunt having an experienced 3 and d wing with some post up game
With legit playoff experience seems like a positive all around
Plus you could flip him if spurs are not in the hunt or God forbid Wemby gets hurt and you switch to tank mode …
Solid move
What’s up Killa! Long time - hope you are doing great.
Branham has a future in the league, maybe not with the Spurs, but has one.
I don't think people remember how Wesley was constantly driving into traffic and getting swatted time and again. Much discussion last summer about if he could ever improve on this. And he did. By the end of the year he was locating shooters and using the paint better.
Branham had two big things I wanted to see from him, 1) launch whenever open from three, and 2) stay engaged and work harder on defense. He improved on both things.
It's a SpursTalk thing, but I see it among some of the worst Reddit members. Nobody has any memory. Nobody knows enough about basketball to see development. , nobody really remembers the good players this franchise has developed over the years.
It's kind of pathetic, and the reason why I get so charged about people here. There are good commentators, but then there are too many who should be supporters of the worst franchises, like the Hornets, because they barely understand anything about this team or its history.
Not saying Branham or Wesley will turn into anything, but seriously a lot of people here have the brains of earthworms. Just complete nonsense and pointless.
My guess an over the cap playoff team like Phoenix or the clippers pick him up as an end of the bench player.
I think you need cap room to make a waiver claim.
if they still have the MLE/BAE open, they could make use of that. champ's salary fits under the BAE or even the TPMLE
i dont know if there is or isnt a certain rule about waiver claims and whether you can use exceptions for those. you may be right
Same, I haven’t seen anything but tools from Wesley, Brans better but some big flaws. But they’re both so young & spent 2 seasons on tanking teams w/o structure. Think they both still have potential for NBA careers, but esp Wesley seems like a good reclamation project on another team (or another league). I don’t see how Wesley gets any meaningful minutes in SA if CP3/Devin/Steph/Tre all play 60+ games not to mention Bran. Even with playing Steph & Bran at 3 there’s a number crunch & at this point I’d rather get minutes to Champ, much lower ceiling but much higher floor, can only develop so many guys (also being generous with develop, Vessel may have developed himself, PATFO needs to prove they have the ability to develop anyone or any one damn skill)
Last edited by Arguendo; 07-08-2024 at 03:06 PM.
I know they changed the CBA to allow the MLEs to be used for trades, but I hadn't heard they're allowing them to be used on waiver claims. Historically it's only been TEs and cap space that could do that
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/...rd-capped.html
looks like MLE and BAE can be used on waiver claims, but not the TPMLE
IMO Wesley still has a far higher ceiling than Branham as a player so I'd keep him. Guys who can score if given the ball are a dime a dozen in the NBA. If we let Lonnie walk we should let Branham walk but as you said earlier we should do it sooner. I'm not even advocating for keeping Wesley around either, but I do think he has the bigger chance to turn into a good NBA player.
Is Bassey even going to be healthy enough to start the season?
I want to see if one year of Paul improves the play of our young guards before shipping them off.
That's a good point - giving them a chance to work with CP before shipping any of them off.
Way too reasonable and measured of a take for Spursralk.
Don't disagree with you, but I see it this way: Wesley may have a higher ceiling than Bran, but Bran's floor is higher and Bran's floor is actually useful at the end of the bench and Wesley isn't going to have much opportunity to achieve his ceiling.
At the end of the day, my real feeling is who ing cares lol
Last edited by scott; 07-08-2024 at 04:47 PM.
By 2030, the Spurs will be a top 5 team and the Kings will be back to the lottery. Barnes is a s of his former self, but his veteran intangibles will help elevate the maturity of this young Spurs team.
After checking the CBA, Spurs team salary is allowed to be $250K over the cap after the trade.
By looking at Realgm trade machine (they have access to the NBA salary database), it seems that Paul salary is around $10.5M.
So:
- If Barnes waive his trade bonus, waiving Bassey should be enough to do the trade.
- If Barnes keep his trade bonus, waiving Bassey and salary dumping Cissoko will work.
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