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[Strategic]

I’m not too familiar with Lauri but all the interest in here makes me wonder. Would folks be ok with the Spurs including next year’s first pick to get him? Ainge will surely want it. That’s a steep price.

[spurraider21]

Yep. OG and Siakam re-signings were just formalities. They were acquired with assurances that they'd be maxed, and they were. No one is making that trade without the verbal agreement in place.

OG didnt get the max but everybody knew the knicks would take care of him and he would be back. just like IQ with toronto

[Dex]

I’m not too familiar with Lauri but all the interest in here makes me wonder. Would folks be ok with the Spurs including next year’s first pick to get him? Ainge will surely want it. That’s a steep price.

Possibly, but that's a cat and mouse game.

If the Spurs get Lauri, next year's FRP instantly loses value

[scott]

Just like we can't let Kawhi haunt us forever, we can't let ing Marcus Morris make us afraid to making winning moves.

I’m not too familiar with Lauri but all the interest in here makes me wonder. Would folks be ok with the Spurs including next year’s first pick to get him? Ainge will surely want it. That’s a steep price.

Ainge already has 3 FRPs next year, and I really don't want to give up either of ours. I'd be willing to do a swap where UTA gets the 2nd best of ATL/SA for the lesser of UTA/CLE/MIN but that's about it for me. I want a second pick to be able to move up a little bit from wherever that ATL pick comes in. But really I want our core for the next 5 years to go Wemby + Lauri + Devin + Castle + ATL25 + SA25.

I'm gonna try damn hard to stay away from those 25 picks. If it's 4 picks going out, that might be a deal breaker. If the price is down to 3 picks, then I might be willing to give up one of those... but it would still be tough.

[spurraider21]

I know, but is a glaring example of when "verbal agreements" go wrong and, in particular, one that ed over the Spurs

yeah renegs happen from time to time. but thats more so agreements struck during the moratorium

[MannyIsGod]

I know, but is a glaring example of when "verbal agreements" go wrong and, in particular, one that ed over the Spurs

Except the example you used involved taking less money which is the exact opposite situation.

[benefactor]

The trade may or may not happen, but this dumb ing rental narrative needs to die.

[SpursFan86]

I know it’s July so there isn’t else to talk about but I can’t believe this thread is up to nearly 60 pages

Count me in the camp of thinking three FRPs (depending on the picks) + Keldon would be a very solid deal for Lauri. I just don’t think the Spurs are making that move though.

[spurraider21]

I know it’s July so there isn’t else to talk about but I can’t believe this thread is up to nearly 60 pages

Count me in the camp of thinking three FRPs (depending on the picks) + Keldon would be a very solid deal for Lauri. I just don’t think the Spurs are making that move though.

pau gasol got 130 pages before signing with the bulls anyway

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=236782

[scott]

pau gasol got 130 pages before signing with the bulls anyway

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=236782

The good ol' days, when $12MM/year was a big contract (19% of the cap in 2014)

[thiste]

wrong thread

[TrainOfThought5]

Possibly, but that's a cat and mouse game.

If the Spurs get Lauri, next year's FRP instantly loses value

not if we get him at the trade deadline, but honestly, I’d rather continue to build through the draft

[spursparker9]

pau gasol got 130 pages before signing with the bulls anyway

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=236782

I remember Tspence with his legendary fake post on Woj saying Gasol to the Spurs

[scott]

Tuning into a Twitter Spaces that Matthew Tynan is participating in on the topic of Lauri... he is what Tynan, in a typical local Spurs media tapdance around the facts kind of way, basically said:

• Spurs have had an interest in Lauri for a long time
• He said he doesn't know for sure that the Spurs have submitted a formal offer, but it kind of sounds like they have
• Doesn't think a deal with Lauri will get done though because the sides are too far apart because (and this next bullet point is an important one, not just for Lauri but for any potential acquisition we hope to make)...
• Teams do not want to do deals that help the Spurs get better. The league understands what Wemby is, and aren't in a hurry to create an unstoppable beast. That doesn't mean they won't trade with the Spurs, but there is a "Spurs tax". Any offer the Spurs make has to be significantly better than competing offers, not just equal or marginally better

Basically, sounds like the Spurs would love to make a fair deal, but Ainge is going to demand more from the Spurs than the Spurs are willing to give (without knowing what Ainge is asking, we can't know if the Spurs are being too conservative or not, but whatever Ainge is asking for right now than the Spurs are willing to give).

This news is actually kind of comforting to me. As I've expressed multiple times in this thread, I'd be perfectly fine if Lauri ended up going to another team on some ridiculous godfather offer - but it would be frustrating if he ended up going to the Warriors for two FRPs and Wiggins and we could have easily beat that. Sounds like the Spurs tax is significant here though, and at some point I do trust that this front office (whom I criticize freely) knows that a line has be drawn and has drawn theirs in a generally reasonably place.

With all of this said... if the Spurs Tax is real, then its something we need to be prepared for and we either need to pivot to using our draft capital to actually draft guys, or we need to be willing to pay obscene prices for trade targets.

[scott]

Now he's basically mealy mouthed in wanting to say anything else. Tynan is one of the better ones, but the local media is so afraid of saying anything. They think they are team insiders or Brian Wright's personal PR firm, not journalists, it's hilarious.

[Ariel]

Tuning into a Twitter Spaces that Matthew Tynan is participating in on the topic of Lauri... he is what Tynan, in a typical local Spurs media tapdance around the facts kind of way, basically said:

• Spurs have had an interest in Lauri for a long time
• He said he doesn't know for sure that the Spurs have submitted a formal offer, but it kind of sounds like they have
• Doesn't think a deal with Lauri will get done though because the sides are too far apart because (and this next bullet point is an important one, not just for Lauri but for any potential acquisition we hope to make)...
• Teams do not want to do deals that help the Spurs get better. The league understands what Wemby is, and aren't in a hurry to create an unstoppable beast. That doesn't mean they won't trade with the Spurs, but there is a "Spurs tax". Any offer the Spurs make has to be significantly better than competing offers, not just equal or marginally better

Basically, sounds like the Spurs would love to make a fair deal, but Ainge is going to demand more from the Spurs than the Spurs are willing to give (without knowing what Ainge is asking, we can't know if the Spurs are being too conservative or not, but whatever Ainge is asking for right now than the Spurs are willing to give).

This news is actually kind of comforting to me. As I've expressed multiple times in this thread, I'd be perfectly fine if Lauri ended up going to another team on some ridiculous godfather offer - but it would be frustrating if he ended up going to the Warriors for two FRPs and Wiggins and we could have easily beat that. Sounds like the Spurs tax is significant here though, and at some point I do trust that this front office (whom I criticize freely) knows that a line has be drawn and has drawn theirs in a generally reasonably place.

With all of this said... if the Spurs Tax is real, then its something we need to be prepared for and we either need to pivot to using our draft capital to actually draft guys, or we need to be willing to pay obscene prices for trade targets.

Not buying the Spurs tax. Teams first and foremost look after themselves, and if a trade suits them they'll pull the trigger. Examples of this can be recent moves by Boston, where Brogdon, Jrue, Porzingis and White were handed to them on a silver platter, because cir stances were favorable for that to happen. In this case, I think it's harder because 1) Lauri's age and skill set is objectively more valuable 2) Ainge is involved 3) Teams know Spurs are asset rich and can afford an overpay. But I wouldn't take that personally as an anti Spur agenda.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Not buying the Spurs tax. Teams first and foremost look after themselves, and if a trade suits them they'll pull the trigger. Examples of this can be recent moves by Boston, where Brogdon, Jrue, Porzingis and White were handed to them on a silver platter, because cir stances were favorable for that to happen. In this case, I think it's harder because 1) Lauri's age and skill set is objectively more valuable 2) Ainge is involved 3) Teams know Spurs are asset rich and can afford an overpay. But I wouldn't take that personally as an anti Spur agenda.

I kinda agree. There well might be a Spurs tax but no team is going to refuse a better offer from the Spurs or favour a worse offer from elsewhere just because they don't want to help the Spurs.

A case in point is the Knicks-Nets trade for Mikal Bridges. The two teams haven't been in a trade since 1983. But the Nets knew that the Knicks were desperate to complete their Villanova-Knicks connection by getting Bridges. And they traded their biggest asset for a big price that included a Knicks tax - a massive overpay of 5 plus FRPs that no other team was going to give them.

So yeah, if Ainge gets the best package from the Spurs, he isn't going to trade Markkanen for a lower haul just because he doesn't want to help the Spurs consolidate further around Wemby. If anything, the Spurs tax would be to squeeze them to push more assets.

For Wright and PATFO, they just need to insulate themselves from being robbed by FOs via this "tax". One way to do is to get as many assets as possible while keeping Wemby happy and being in a position to offer the most chips in a trade, an offer that a team can't refuse but also an offer that doesn't hurt the Spurs medium and long term plans badly.

I think Wright's moves in the last two seasons for asset accretion has helped the Spurs position themselves for a good trade such as getting Markkanen. I just hope that the Spurs aren't too conservative and reliant on too slow a construction towards contention.

[scott]

Not buying the Spurs tax. Teams first and foremost look after themselves, and if a trade suits them they'll pull the trigger. Examples of this can be recent moves by Boston, where Brogdon, Jrue, Porzingis and White were handed to them on a silver platter, because cir stances were favorable for that to happen. In this case, I think it's harder because 1) Lauri's age and skill set is objectively more valuable 2) Ainge is involved 3) Teams know Spurs are asset rich and can afford an overpay. But I wouldn't take that personally as an anti Spur agenda.

First off... don't shoot the messenger

Second, I agree. Tynan then went on some rant about how Utah and San Antonio have no incentive to help each other to which someone else responded no teams have incentives to help each other... they're all looking out for themselves.

At the end of the day, Ainge is going to take the trade that is best for him. I don't buy that he's worried about making the Spurs some juggernaut he can't compete with, that's putting the cart before the horse. At the same time, the Spurs don't need to worrya about how they're going to line up against Boston in a finals series... you gotta compete on that level before you worry about competing on that level (sounds funny, but I'm sure everyone knows what I mean).

But... this is what Tynan is saying and he claims he's "talked to people" who back this up. This, of course could just be what some Jazz person is telling him to drive up the price or what some Spurs person is telling him to get people to STFU about a deal they're trying to work.

[scott]

Side note, apparently Tynan and Jordan Clarkson have some kind of beef with one another? Kind of weird, and Tynan definitely gets mousey when people probe him on it.

[scott]

I kinda agree. There well might be a Spurs tax but no team is going to refuse a better offer from the Spurs or favour a worse offer from elsewhere just because they don't want to help the Spurs.

A case in point is the Knicks-Nets trade for Mikal Bridges. The two teams haven't been in a trade since 1983. But the Nets knew that the Knicks were desperate to complete their Villanova-Knicks connection by getting Bridges. And they traded their biggest asset for a big price that included a Knicks tax - a massive overpay of 5 plus FRPs that no other team was going to give them.

So yeah, if Ainge gets the best package from the Spurs, he isn't going to trade Markkanen for a lower haul just because he doesn't want to help the Spurs consolidate further around Wemby. If anything, the Spurs tax would be to squeeze them to push more assets.

For Wright and PATFO, they just need to insulate themselves from being robbed by FOs via this "tax". One way to do is to get as many assets as possible while keeping Wemby happy and being in a position to offer the most chips in a trade, an offer that a team can't refuse but also an offer that doesn't hurt the Spurs medium and long term plans badly.

I think Wright's moves in the last two seasons for asset accretion has helped the Spurs position themselves for a good trade such as getting Markkanen. I just hope that the Spurs aren't too conservative and reliant on too slow a construction towards contention.

Well said, and I think that is key. In big boy moves, the Spurs have to be aggressive and put forth real, aggressive offers. They can't play games and try to get cute to get a bargain. That works on small time deals or when you're a seller - but not when you're a buyer for prime assets.

You don't walk into the Ferrari dealership and ask for some absurd discount on a SF90 Stradale. If your goal is to buy one of those, you come prepared to pay the price. Take the cutesy bull to the Honda dealer.

[sfernald]

Tuning into a Twitter Spaces that Matthew Tynan is participating in on the topic of Lauri... he is what Tynan, in a typical local Spurs media tapdance around the facts kind of way, basically said:

• Spurs have had an interest in Lauri for a long time
• He said he doesn't know for sure that the Spurs have submitted a formal offer, but it kind of sounds like they have
• Doesn't think a deal with Lauri will get done though because the sides are too far apart because (and this next bullet point is an important one, not just for Lauri but for any potential acquisition we hope to make)...
• Teams do not want to do deals that help the Spurs get better. The league understands what Wemby is, and aren't in a hurry to create an unstoppable beast. That doesn't mean they won't trade with the Spurs, but there is a "Spurs tax". Any offer the Spurs make has to be significantly better than competing offers, not just equal or marginally better

Basically, sounds like the Spurs would love to make a fair deal, but Ainge is going to demand more from the Spurs than the Spurs are willing to give (without knowing what Ainge is asking, we can't know if the Spurs are being too conservative or not, but whatever Ainge is asking for right now than the Spurs are willing to give).

This news is actually kind of comforting to me. As I've expressed multiple times in this thread, I'd be perfectly fine if Lauri ended up going to another team on some ridiculous godfather offer - but it would be frustrating if he ended up going to the Warriors for two FRPs and Wiggins and we could have easily beat that. Sounds like the Spurs tax is significant here though, and at some point I do trust that this front office (whom I criticize freely) knows that a line has be drawn and has drawn theirs in a generally reasonably place.

With all of this said... if the Spurs Tax is real, then its something we need to be prepared for and we either need to pivot to using our draft capital to actually draft guys, or we need to be willing to pay obscene prices for trade targets.

A Spurs tax? That sounds like complete bull or at least something Ainge makes up to rape his victims. If that is the case, we sure the shouldn’t have wasted that #8 pick cause it sounds like picks aren’t worth very much for us. Hopefully they tell Ainge exactly where to stick it.

[TeKu]

Sounds like another negotiating ploy from Ainge. Maybe it's the opposite side of players wanting to come play with Wemby. If this really was in play then you'd also expect Lauri's agent to step in and make sure his client isn't being disadvantaged because of it. They still need to keep him happy prior to any extension.

[Teamduncan21]

I remember Tspence with his legendary fake post on Woj saying Gasol to the Spurs

We have Eric Zhang on Lauri to Spurs

[spurraider21]

Well said, and I think that is key. In big boy moves, the Spurs have to be aggressive and put forth real, aggressive offers. They can't play games and try to get cute to get a bargain. That works on small time deals or when you're a seller - but not when you're a buyer for prime assets.

You don't walk into the Ferrari dealership and ask for some absurd discount on a SF90 Stradale. If your goal is to buy one of those, you come prepared to pay the price. Take the cutesy bull to the Honda dealer.

Honda > Ferrari tbh

[scott]

Honda > Ferrari tbh

Current F1 standings agree with you!