The Irregular Trebuchet of Stephon Castle

[Pauleta14]

Can‘t wait for the Castle vs. Vassell threads to start

That would be either a stupid thread or that Castle has no future at PG's position

So let's hope it never happens

[RC_Drunkford]

That would be either a stupid thread or that Castle has no future at PG's position

So let's hope it never happens

if you only knew how many stupid threads were made on this board

[exstatic]

Would be good if it's just Wemby on max deal. But if both Devin and Castle get to max level players, someone will probably have to go. Not to mention if we get an all-star in a trade before it happens.



The thing is that you can't win every trade.
Trading away all-stars for elite role players doesn't always work out and expecting rookies to fit right in during Wemby's prime wouldn't end well.
That's why Markkanen would also make sense.

Max him until he's 32, then he either takes a paycut or goes.
Then Devin and Castle are up for extensions and unless they're both max players, we're still good.

But if we get an all-star who's on Devin/Castle extension timeline and is still in his prime, someone has to go.

I'd rather have Devin and Castle as our Jrue/Derrick duo or one of them becoming a max player than have both as max players.
Because if they're both max players, one eventually has to go. Yeah, we'd be good short term before the extension, but eventually we lose out.

Still years away, but as I said, another reason why Markkanen makes sense.
People expecting Spurs to trade for a ~23 year old all-star would be in for a rude awakening when everyone's up for an extension.

If he’s eligible for a 5 year extension/ contract give it to him, ride him for 3 of those years, plus this season if you can get him, then flip him for picks at age 31, with two years left on his deal. He won’t be too old to monetize with two years remaining.

[exstatic]

That would be either a stupid thread or that Castle has no future at PG's position

So let's hope it never happens

Tony was a PG and Manu a SG. Didn’t stop those threads.

[quentin_compson]

If this guy doesn't pan out, I want 2 things:

1) Spurstalk to never get a hard-on for a guard that can't shoot ever again. You know who you are, mother ers.

2) For PATFO to do the same ing thing. Just give it a rest with the non-shooting prospects for a couple of seasons.

Neither will happen.

[Pauleta14]

Tony was a PG and Manu a SG. Didn’t stop those threads.

Tony was a SG in his head but his body only authorised him to play PG, it KILLED him to have to pass the ball

There won't and can't have this pb just by the nature of the players

My point was mostly that I want Castle 10000% at the PG position except for a short learning period next to CP3.

+ They are so different I don't even get how they could be opposed for the same job. Vassel needs to become our sniper

[Pauleta14]

if you only knew how many stupid threads were made on this board

Fair enough.

[J_Paco]

I had no idea the actor Marc Blucas played college basketball, much less with Duncan. He was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

I'm pretty certain he is the 'best friend' that lived with Tim and his ex-wife Amy Duncan when they first moved to San Antonio. And he is who she was alleging was Timmy's 'gay lover, best friend' during their divorce proceedings.

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I'm pretty certain he is the 'best friend' that lived with Tim and his ex-wife Amy Duncan when they first moved to San Antonio. And he is who she was alleging was Timmy's 'gay lover, best friend' during their divorce proceedings.

What a horrible person she was. I get why he was so reluctant to put a ring on Vanessa's finger after that debacle of a woman. Seem like really good kids they have though probably all thanks to the GOAT'S parenting skills.

[Ice009]

I'm pretty certain he is the 'best friend' that lived with Tim and his ex-wife Amy Duncan when they first moved to San Antonio. And he is who she was alleging was Timmy's 'gay lover, best friend' during their divorce proceedings.

I remember that she was saying his best friend that moved in, but I thought it was someone else. Didn't Marc and Tim not really cross paths at Wake Forest for more than a season? I know that doesn't mean they couldn't have become really great friends, but I thought Marc was about 3 or 4 years older, so he wasn't there long with TD, was he? The 'gay lover, best friend' thing, was she serious about that (like did she actually believe that? [I don't and didn't]), or was it purely some sort of tactic to get more in the divorce proceedings?

[Chomag]

I know everyone is saying point guard, point guard but wouldn't it be better if he studies and pats his game around Jimmy Butler? To me his game seems much better suited for that type of player. Jimmy is a top level playmaker, that I think people don't give him credit for

[Pauleta14]

I know everyone is saying point guard, point guard but wouldn't it be better if he studies and pats his game around Jimmy Butler? To me his game seems much better suited for that type of player. Jimmy is a top level playmaker, that I think people don't give him credit for

I think Castle has some of Butler's characteristics and at ude but is a very diff player. He should inspire himself from him as much as Cp3 for diff parts of the game.

He's s liitle smaller than Butler and has way better scoring and playmaking abilities, not even close.

Castle's floor is a lot higher than Butler's

[KingKev]

Yeah, and even so, it took 5-6 games for Parker to dislodge him. CP3 will not be terrible.

I was so damn excited for that AD/DA back court!!!

[J_Paco]

I remember that she was saying his best friend that moved in, but I thought it was someone else. Didn't Marc and Tim not really cross paths at Wake Forest for more than a season? I know that doesn't mean they couldn't have become really great friends, but I thought Marc was about 3 or 4 years older, so he wasn't there long with TD, was he? The 'gay lover, best friend' thing, was she serious about that (like did she actually believe that? [I don't and didn't]), or was it purely some sort of tactic to get more in the divorce proceedings?

You could be right about which player was Tim's best friend that moved in with him. It might be faulty memory, but I recall reading in SI article that mentions his 'best friend' from college that went on to become actor and lived with them his first year in San Antonio. He definitely had an old college teammate living with them, but it might not have been Marc.

Yeah, it was her attempt at have their prenuptial agreement annulled or to make Timmy look bad in the public's eye (cause all we knew is that she was cheater and that's why the marriage was ending).

[J_Paco]

I think Castle has some of Butler's characteristics and at ude but is a very diff player. He should inspire himself from him as much as Cp3 for diff parts of the game.

He's s liitle smaller than Butler and has way better scoring and playmaking abilities, not even close.

Castle's floor is a lot higher than Butler's

Him and Jimmy are nearly identical size-wise coming out of college. Jimmy was listed at 6'6" w/o shoes with a 6'7.5" wingspan, while Stephon is the same height but with slightly longer arms (6'9"). Biggest differences are that Jimmy was 2 years older coming out of college and 12 pounds heavier (more suited to guard bigger SG's & SF's) than Stephon is now.

I think Stephon can land somewhere in the middle as a player to what y'all are saying. We need a connector and a 'do-it-all' type guy and hopefully Steph can be that guy.

[Ice009]

You could be right about which player was Tim's best friend that moved in with him. It might be faulty memory, but I recall reading in SI article that mentions his 'best friend' from college that went on to become actor and lived with them his first year in San Antonio. He definitely had an old college teammate living with them, but it might not have been Marc.

Yeah, it was her attempt at have their prenuptial agreement annulled or to make Timmy look bad in the public's eye (cause all we knew is that she was cheater and that's why the marriage was ending).

I could be completely wrong and that they became great friends and that is the friend that was staying (I know they definitely are friends going by the movie clip another member posted), but I was just looking at their ages, and that Marc only played one season with TD at Wake Forest, so I just assumed the guy that Tim's ex was referring to might be someone else.

[JPB]

I believe Castle ceiling is elite role player, which in this weak draft would already be a success.

With his lack of shooting and alpha/scoring mentality, I dont see him as a potential co-star but rather a quality complementary starter or eventually elite sixth man. Spurs are probably looking at next year's draft and/or one big trade to hopefully add bigger star power.

[LeBowen]

I believe Castle ceiling is elite role player, which in this weak draft would already be a success.

With his lack of shooting and alpha/scoring mentality, I dont see him as a potential co-star but rather a quality complementary starter or eventually elite sixth man. Spurs are probably looking at next year's draft and/or one big trade to hopefully add bigger star power.

A lot of players adopted alpha mentality later on, especially those who came into the league as non-shooters.

The first thing I'd want Castle to improve on would be mid-range.
He looks to be good at methodical dribbling in the paint with the defender on his back.
Running PNR with Wemby would mean that FT line pull up is always an easy scoring option. If he develops that, he'd already be a positive on offense.

If CP3 was a bit younger, he'd hit like 5 of those mid-range pull ups every game.

[Pauleta14]

A lot of players adopted alpha mentality later on, especially those who came into the league as non-shooters.

The first thing I'd want Castle to improve on would be mid-range.
He looks to be good at methodical dribbling in the paint with the defender on his back.
Running PNR with Wemby would mean that FT line pull up is always an easy scoring option. If he develops that, he'd already be a positive on offense.

If CP3 was a bit younger, he'd hit like 5 of those mid-range pull ups every game.

Like who?

+ it's not so much the shooting ability (it doesn't hurt) but the scoring mentality, the "go get a bucket" type.

Imho it's not something you can learn and become later on, either u are that type of animal or you aren't. Usually from a young age

[LeBowen]

Like who?

+ it's not so much the shooting ability (it doesn't hurt) but the scoring mentality, the "go get a bucket" type.

Imho it's not something you can learn and become later on, either u are that type of animal or you aren't. Usually from a young age

Since some users are comparing him to Jimmy, he wasn't a scorer early on.
Neither was nephew.
Dejounte wasn't a scorer for many years. Not a great one now, but still has that mentality.
And many more.

I don't buy the young age narrative because almost every NBA player was the first option up until they got to college.

[Pauleta14]

Since some users are comparing him to Jimmy, he wasn't a scorer early on.
Neither was nephew.
Dejounte wasn't a scorer for many years. Not a great one now, but still has that mentality.
And many more.

I don't buy the young age narrative because almost every NBA player was the first option up until they got to college.

I don't consider Butler as a scorer even now. He can occasionaly take on the role but he isn't a "bucket getter". Neither is DJ to me

Most of those guys are often used off the bench like Monk for ex

To me they are a particular "breed" of bb players. It's beyond the technique or pure abilities (that can be learned), it's a mindset

[ambchang]

Not sure why people are equating scoring and being an alpha. Durant is one of the best scorers in the history of the league but he is a beta.

Kidd rarely scored, he was undoubtedly an alpha.

Castle seems to have leadership qualities, let’s see how he develops.

[Pauleta14]

Only 1 person used the word "alpha" and he probably meant "alpha scorer" (which KD is) and not "alpha personality" (which indeed KD isn't)

The point was just that it's often (exceptions to every rules of course) a MINDSET that is related to a personality/character

Castle is great the way he is, he's more "complete" than a pure scorer for ex and already understands the importance of all the little things a bb player needs to do on the court other than scoring.

Most players take years to get it.

[BackHome]

Not sure why people are equating scoring and being an alpha. Durant is one of the best scorers in the history of the league but he is a beta.

Kidd rarely scored, he was undoubtedly an alpha.

Castle seems to have leadership qualities, let’s see how he develops.

Yep, I think Castle has that vibe “ around and find out” and I don’t see him backing down from anyone. As far as a bucket getter He is not that and I like that as he knows Wemby and Vassell will be the main shooters. That’s why I like him so much as he is going to do what it takes to win by either lock down defense, rebounding, setting up teammates for easy dunks and wide open 3.

[LeBowen]