In my humble opinion, Vassell is the only guy (besides Wemby which should go without saying) who is (currently) untradeable on the roster. He could easily be the best 3rd option of any team in the League, provided we had someone who could be a clear cut #2. He's never going to be Manu, and I don't know why some posters here want to force that role on him. He's better as our primary-secondary playmaker, someone who takes what Wemby and (x) give him, which will be lots of wide open three's and drives on kickouts.
He was a lot better than guys like Sochan passing to Wemby, but he took too many dribbles too often. He needs to be a catch and shoot or catch, 1-2 dribble and penetrate or kickout again type of guy. JMO
Wasn’t really aware that OKC has their 2025 Pick (top 10 protected) they really do need to bottom out next year
if markkanen waits until august 7 to renegotiate, he wont be eligible to be traded during the season either
Top10 in '25 and top8 in '26.
You really don't want to lose any FRPs if you don't have your franchise player.
i've never liked that punk ass ainge. f' him and the jazz.
To me, it makes no sense for ainge to want good young players. He has to tank in a big way the next two years, so he should be taking contracts and diamond style picks.
Imo, wanting Kuminga makes sense since he's still only 21 and you'd be able to tank while testing if he can actually be a legit scoring option because he's not that good just yet.
Getting Devin would make sense because he'd surely be able to flip him to a desperate contender in a year or two considering his amazing contract.
It's kind of hard to get picks that are likely to be in the lottery unless you prey on desperate teams like we did with the Hawks.
I'm obviously subjective, but as I said many times, no team with assets makes sense because they're not that great of a fit for Lauri.
If I was Ainge, I'd be asking for Hawks and Minnesota picks. Not all of them, but some combination.
Then I guess it's down to how much PATFO values those ATL picks.
I'd do two Atlanta and both Minnesota picks if we can keep the '25 Atlanta pick and get '26 CLE/MIN back from them to have one FRP in '26 draft.
That would be three guaranteed picks and one trade up for them. And they'd probably be able to flip Keldon for one more bad FRP.
100%. It's really kind of illogical to want Vassell or Kuminga. Someone like Podz or even the draft rights to Castle would make more sense for him to ask for. Vassell and Kuminga might raise Utah's floor. They need young guys who are still too young to be floor raisers. Their roster is already full of guys like this: George, Hendricks, Sensabaugh, Kessler, Cody Williams, Collier, Filipowski, Juzang, Lofton Jr. That's an entire rotation full of young guys who can develop but successfully tank. Clarkson is a good vet tank commander to lead them.
If they don't trade Lauri to us, I will be rooting hard AF for them to get #11 and lose their pick, and for MIN and CLE to play in the finals. Good luck rebuilding with pick 29 and 30, faces
Force the Spurs trade, Lauri. Do it.
That's why they will like take Keldon and Collins. This will give them a chance to tank hard and also enable Spurs to extend Lauri this summer.
Agree woth it being against Ainge's best interest to acquire Devin. The should be trying to attach JC to Lauri as a priority instead.
Them not having a pick next year if its out of the top 10 definitely does change things. I didn't realize taht before but yeah that's huge incentive to tank.
They can sit Lauri 15-20 games and easily accomplish goal imo
They've done that 2 years in a row. There's a tradeoff when you keep doing that especially if Lauri wants to be eligible for awards tbh.
yeah at the end of the day getting the max but having to sit thru a tank would be the pinnacle of achievement for most of us. so lets not throw stones if lauri turns down the chance to play number 2 to a all time great in exchange for a guaranteed chance to chuck numbers at max pay for the rest of your career. I know we all want him to test free agency but if he's risk averse it won't happen
not an option
Pretty sure 180m is the award lol
As long as CP3 has not reveiled his number and no other FA has signed we are still in. The ideal trade is to pair Zollins with KJ contract to be able to renegotiate Markannen deal to reduce the contract in year 4-5.
Doesn't that tank Lauri's value potentially below max in FA, though? I think that's a big part of what's going on here. Lauri understands Jazz need to tank but he also does not want to undersell himself since (apparently, don't know Jazz well enough to be sure) they are sitting him a lot more than he thinks he needs to. His "health" is his main sticking point for a max contract, something tells me he makes a big fuss if the Jazz try to sit him and tank yet again, since that will affect The Bag.
Of course, if Lauri isn't worth the max anyway, then he's got a lot more to lose declining an extension. I think a team like the Spurs could max him next summer, but would they?
Considering the players getting max extensions, Lauri is absolutely worth it.
If Franz Wagner and Evan Mobley can get $220M, Lauri has no reason to ask for anything less than what he's eligible for.
I agree 100%, just playing devil's advocate for those who may believe an extension is his highest potential salary. I'd say the smart move here is to give up nothing and sign him next summer, but you know the Jazz are in his ear saying the extension and one more season of tanking in a stacked draft will (hopefully) make the Jazz great again and he'll still have a massive salary. The question now becomes one of how Lauri sees his career unfolding over the next 5 years. As an MIP I see it hard to believe he's not going to go after the max though, even if it's "relatively" not that much more, as being a max salary pro player is something he would have only dreamed about when he entered the league.
I guess that could go both ways though and he's okay with the still-massive bag he'll get with an extension since that's also a lot higher than he projected to earn starting his career
And it’s not just next year. Their pick protection drops to 1-8 the following year, so they’ll have to tank again for the very good 26 draft. That would be four years in a row of sitting him. Then, they’ll suck for at least another year.
I watched a YouTube interview of Lauri, and it was presented in a humorous format, but the gist was that from his first year to his second, his touches dropped from 80 a game to 40, and he asked one of the coaches about it, and it was suggested that he get some more offensive rebounds, and his response was “Well I’m not getting 40 offensive boards “. Everybody laughed, but you can tell that he’s aware that not only is he being sat, but he’s being throttled when he’s on the floor playing. I don’t think everything is as rosy between he and Utah as is being floated in the media.
He can get that on another team without getting sat tbh.
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