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Das kann nicht sein! That cannot be! Is language usually reserved for Elder Gods like Cthulhu.
Ainge only wants to rake desperate teams over the coals and that's what he has with GSW. It seems like other teams have left the market so him and the Warriors are just staring at each other.
Das kann nicht sein! That cannot be! Is language usually reserved for Elder Gods like Cthulhu.
and Erin’s ashes. Ainge is that much of a prick. We are def not getting Mark for anything short of what Mikal Bridges traded hands for.
Last edited by KingKev; 07-15-2024 at 12:09 PM.
Bridges was traded for salary filler, four FRPs and one swap that's in Knicks contention window and one Bucks pick that won't convey.
I'd argue that two Hawks picks are more valuable than that entire package.
Keldon, two Minnesota picks, Chicago pick and one Hawks pick would be more valuable than Bridges return.
Ainge’s tune might well change after 6 August.
Ainge taking that Warriors offer and then Markkanen refusing the extension and walking after the season is over would be the perfect ending.
If Markkanen is tired of tanking, why would he want to extend with a team that would literally have no future once Curry retires?
Playing devil's advocate... how close do we think Steph is to retiring? Yeah he's 36, but he still look in great form. He may very well play into his 40s.
Because he probably figures he can guarantee his money now (more than he'd get from any team as a free agent, as he'd also be renegotiating this year's salary) and demand a trade later (doubt he cares more about some third team's asset management over his own long term financial wellbeing). But if he wants out badly enough, maybe he does just that. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Curry should age better than just about anyone because of what his elite skill is. Shooting is one of the last things a player loses as they get older.
Your point is valid. Curry would be 41 at the end of Markkanen's extension but he should still be at least All-Star level for most of that time.
Still, the Warriors trading away all their young pieces and draft control like that would make it very hard to stay relevant down the road. Having Curry and Markkanen on max contracts would limit their flexibility given the apron rules.
Jazz will not give him an extension. They want to tank hard. On the other hand, even if they do offer max, Lauri will refuse because Spurs already promised to extend him with max. Lauri wants to win.
So, Jazz wants to lose while Lauri wants to win and keeps winning multiple les. So, he will be a spur by end of this summer.
There would be no way for Markannen to renegotiate this year's salary if he gets traded to GSW. He'll have a 6-month moratorium and GSW is well over the cap. Warriors will be able to give him that 5 year max with bird rights though (same as Spurs).
If Markkanen gets traded before the season, he's pretty much not getting renegotiated, because no one will have any cap space by which to do so.
Sure, but he can renegotiate with Utah in August 6 and get traded by February 6 either to GSW, Spurs, or any team. But best case scenario for the Spurs is he doesn't want to put his future in Ainge's hands and doesn't sign, and that should lower his price tag to a more reasonable number which Spurs can meet.
The issue for the Warriors is that they can't wait until the deadline.
They'll be out of the playoff picture by then and would be trying to catch up with a player who knows nothing about their system.
And as already said, their cap situation is far from ideal.
I just don't see the point for them. You don't throw away FRPs when your franchise player is 36 and the player you get in return for those picks won't make you a legit contender.
Steph just had his first healthy season since 2019. If they're to compete they need to get a top6 seed which seems impossible right now.
Front office refusing to accept their roster is past it's expiration date.
Gotcha. Yes, I agree that is accurate, but I don't see this going the route of Lauri renegotiating and extending and then being traded in Feb. It could very well though! That will make for a very fascinating trade deadline, with potential new players in the mix (and current suitors maybe dropping out). Huge roll of the dice for the Jazz to do this, IMO.
Thing is, GSW find themselves in a tricky spot: as presently constructed they're a first round exit at best, changing that reality will be costly, but not doing so may be even worse. Can you imagine them wasting the last few years of Steph's prime by fighting for a play in spot? That'd be doing him dirty, and maybe giving away a couple high picks in a few years is a price they're willing to meet to avoid that. Otherwise they should just consider moving Steph to somewhere he can finish his career strong, while they get a head start rebuilding in this couple of strong drafts. But standing pat is the worst of both worlds.
Honestly, trading Steph for a haul is probably the best long-term move for GSW, but it's not something they can actually do. It would be like the Spurs trading Duncan... just not a viable option.
I wonder why Jamal Murray still hasn’t been extended. Nuggets probably trying to lowball him. They seem to be horrified by the tax and the second apron and are doing some horrible business as a result.
Obviously very unlikely for the Spurs to get him by the trade deadline or next summer but he’d be such a great fit.
I might be wrong, but changing that reality is way above their current best offer.
Steph/Podziemski
Melton/Payton II/Hield
Wiggins/Kuminga/Moody
Draymond/SlowMo
TJD/Looney
That's not going to cut it.
Even if they Markkanen for Kuminga and Moody.
Draymond can't play C in the West anymore.
His entire gimmick was playing against subpar bigs that couldn't stay on the floor agains their elite offense.
At this age, he either gets killed by size or lacks rim protection against teams with elite spacing that keep attacking the rim.
Markkanen would be put in a way worse position than he would be in with the Spurs.
That's just the reality. Steph isn't even in his prime anymore, even though the numbers are still great, he's a tier below MVP candidates.Can you imagine them wasting the last few years of Steph's prime by fighting for a play in spot?
2022 was his swan song.
Well, they should've thought of that when they tried to be greedy with two timelines gimmick and contend while also drafting new talent.That'd be doing him dirty, and maybe giving away a couple high picks in a few years is a price they're willing to meet to avoid that.
Wiseman pick just killed them long-term. Then they kept trading away assets to acquire mediocre role players. At some point someone needs to be an adult and do what's best for the team long-term.
What's even the difference between play-in struggle and first round elimination? I can't see them beating any of the top4 teams in the first round with Markkanen and they're not getting a top4 seed.
Steph is one of the best players of this generation, but he was really lucky with the teams he had and should be thankful for it. Winning four rings with the team you were drafted by happens very rarely.
Every star that played into their late 30s without moving teams eventually found themselves on the losing side of things. Except for obviously Timmy.
He's got maybe two good years left and no chance of winning another ring with the Warriors. Why would be mortgage their future for a losing cause? They can put a solid enough team around him to make the playoffs and that's it.
Drafts will always be strong and it's not like picks in #13-18 range are bad.Otherwise they should just consider moving Steph to somewhere he can finish his career strong, while they get a head start rebuilding in this couple of strong drafts. But standing pat is the worst of both worlds.
I don't think standing pat is that bad in this case.
You've got one of the all-time greats still breaking records and selling out the arena, you got some young players in development, own your picks and after he's done you tank for a few years and are right back on track.
But trading away FRPs post-Steph would mean they have neither young players nor draft assets. Would be the worst situation in the league.
They'd overpay some third tier fake all-star who'd chuck them into 12th seed for a couple of years.
Warriors were historically one of the worst franchises in the league. They have to make sure they don't become the Bulls that went right back to that dumpster tier franchise territory after MJ retired.
Spurs can do this! by trading away Keldon and Collins. That's 35 million. That's about the number needed to max him for the 4 years after..
Does he want to, though? Their big three is kaflooey, and I’m guessing Draymond is next. I’m sure there have been times they’ve wanted to offload him, but didn’t want to break up the trio. Not a thing, any longer. I don’t think he can improve his legacy, he’s not winning any more rings there, and he’s not getting the scoring record. What else would be worth staying past this contract?
I don't speak Portugese but I'm assuming this is an announcement proclaiming Tiago's sainthood long after he has left this earth tbh.
i dont think Steffie has more than possibly 1 good year left in him -
followed by injuries and rehab...
he is pretty much done
If the Spurs did this, they'd have a 6 month waiting period before they could renegotiate and extend, and they'd have to meet the Salary floor, which would mean they could only take him up to about $32 or 33MM for a few months and then extend for less than the max. Lauri will be better of just waiting to get a max with Bird rights.
It's a great question... only Steph knows! Might just hinge on how long Kerr sticks around.
Golden Boy has declined far more in recent years (closer to All-Star caliber than All-NBA at this point and well back of MVP) than the Warriors endless stooges in the media would have the masses believe.
Markkanen or not, their unprecedented luck ran out in '22 and they won't be sniffing championship contention again for the remainder of his career.
Nonetheless, he remains a cash cow and their future beyond him is uncertain, so it still makes sense to make a trade like this to pacify him and the media enough for his duration.
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