Yeah, pretty greedy. Markkanen was basically a throw in piece in the Mitc trade and he's trying to get the same return for him as that trade
Pass
Asking price is high, but that offer is trash.
Moody isn't worth a FRP, he's a 6'6 bad shooter with no playmaking skills and Warriors can trade just two FRPs outright.
Keldon is more valuable than Moody, which says a lot. Not to mention Moody is on an expiring deal and will definitely ask for an overpay to stay in Utah.
Definitely a trash offer from GS
+ GS's 1RPs and swaps become a lot less valuable the sec Lauri joins them
In the end Utah isn't asking a absurd price, imo either Kuminga or Podz could be enough with Mood and the picks package
Aha! Good news! Warrior's offer still cannot beat spurs.
I do think Markkanen eventually gets moved, because again, it makes no sense for a Utah jazz team that desperately needs to tank for the 2025 NBA draft to hold onto him. That’s why I keep saying just wait it out. Either that asking price goes down, or Utah shoots themselves in the foot in terms of draft positioning. Their call. We can still match any offer from any other team. Be patient, it’ll work itself out and due time.
Ainge is strong arming, and honestly it looks like it's working (on the Warriors). I wonder if Steph is in Kerr's ear about getting this done and that's making it's way to management.
I still believe it makes sense for Lauri to move before Aug 6, but I think the Warriors will win this by going way overboard. Can't blame our FA if another team wants to make stupid moves.
What would be going overboard? Removing protections on that pick they traded to Washington and making it Kuminga and three picks?
We can easily beat that and still have at least one FRP every draft.
I just don't get it from Warriors' perspective.
Contending days are long gone, no point in mortgaging your future to maybe make it out of the first round.
And Markkanen's fit there is questionable.
Two unprotected Warriors picks post Steph would be very, very hard to top. I'd jump on that if I were Ainge, even if Kuminga wasn't included tbh.
Kuminga + Podz + Moody + 2 FRPs + 2 Swaps would be overboard in my opinion.
I still like my best offer of Keldon + SA26 + SA28 + SA30 + MIN31, and I'd even be willing to add Sochan... but I'm not sure if that's a better package than the one above. If Utah was getting GS28 + GS29 Swap + GS31 Swap, those all look juicy.
And I'm absolutely not sending out Vassell. I like Lauri better than Vassell straight up, but I'm not giving up Devin and a bevvy of picks - that's 2 steps forward to take 1.99 steps back. I want a Wemby + Lauri + Devin + Castle + SA25 + ATL25 core.
thats an Overpay.
Spurs already figured this out and made better offer. That's why there is no deal between Warriors and Jazz yet.
Good.
Unless they are just being used again to up the Gay Areas offer.
Subtract the mediocre 26 and 28 Spurs picks with one ATL pick and that's pretty close to what it will take. I'd also do a Zollins for John Collins swap. If the Spurs add Lauri and presumably extend him the Spurs cap space days are done anyway. Spurs would have to throw in one of Mal or Blake to make salaries match.
I've discussed at length why the SA26 and SA28 are the picks that makes sense here (and specifically the SA26 is not mediocre. It's includes the ATL swap). Not going to go over it again, but these are the picks that specifically fit Utah.
GSW responding offer being a fraction of the Jazz ask kinda sets the market for Mark a bit though
I forgot about the swap attachments to those picks. My bad. Yes I agree that package would do the trick.
Ainge and Zanik just going their jobs - maximizing their return. Just need one of the Warriors or the Spurs (or some unknown third party) to blink. It won't be the Spurs. So long as the Warriors hold the line, the price will come down as we get closer to Aug 6. Ainge doesn't want to run the risk of not getting the extension done with Markkenen on Aug 6, at which point the value really drops.
They're probably offering crappy picks, say 2025 and 2027. I have no interest whatsoever in those if I'm Ainge and sending a guy in Markannen that can push them to le contention and then I'm picking in the 20s while the Warriors are still good. The picks I want from them if I'm Ainge are 2029 and 2031 unprotected from when Curry is washed up or retired but GSW has to find a way to get a 2030 pick to move those since they owe Washington their 2030 first if it's #21 or worse. Makes sense to demand Kuminga, Podz, and Moody since there is no way the Warriors are doing that in a win now move so tells them to get off their ass and find a way to make unprotected 2029 and 2031 picks work along with 2028 and 2030 swaps (with the 2030 only good for top 20 bc of the Poole to Washington trade). Only then would it make sense for Utah to take Wiggins contract and make it a Markannen for picks+swap+salary kind of deal. Utah's not going take picks in the 20s and three years of paying Wiggins for Markannen.
Last edited by baseline bum; 07-15-2024 at 02:37 PM.
he's not getting moved if this is the game ainge is playing
Why do you think it’s working? Their respective offers are a Grand Canyon apart. There is ZERO point to bringing in Lauri, if Podz and Kuminga are outbound. You only want to put a championship team on the floor for that price, and that’s a first round out or play in team.
This. Not sure why people are criticizing Ainge & Co. when they're doing exactly what we'd want PATFO to do in a similar situation. I think they've played it correctly so far and I would not be surprised if we end up seeing a Warriors overpay in the near future.
I don't believe it's necessarily just a GS vs. SA story nor that time plays against Ainge.
Other teams could come out of the woods before Aug. 6th, which is exactly what Ainge is waiting for. No point for him anyway to accept any offer now, even if he ends up accepting one he previously passed, which you can be sure of that, will still be on the table. Not like there was a plethoria of Lauris available this summer.
I see the Warriors inching closer to the deal Ainge wants... probably because he knows the Spurs can beat what they really want to offer.
I am in full agreement that this deal isn't the smartest thing for GSW to do, but there must be some kind of pressure and maybe that ownership group is just resigned to be a 1st apron, flirting with second apron team in the long run where they have to constantly make high stakes deals to stay relevant? I honestly don't know.
What I do know, is that this works in the Spurs favor for GSW to hold the line. That last week before the 8/6 deadline will be the Spurs golden hour to pounce for the right price so long as GSW doesn't blink.
Second apron’s gonna squash that. It’s a new day for the NBA.
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