DJ had two years of control left. Markannen has one. It’s a huge difference, added with the weird date constraints, he probably shouldn’t pull a DJ level haul, which everyone agrees was an overpay.
Sounds like GSW is trying to pressure Ainge through the media, and these “other teams are difficult to deal with” comments. IMO, this works right to our advantage. Let GSW and Ainge go at each other’s throats for a few more days/weeks to the point where they each want to tell each other to off, and Good Guy Brian (Trademark pending) gets to sweep in with a fair offer that makes Utah happy and Ainge gets to FexEx a bag of shaped gummy bears to the Warriors offices.
If Golden State can acquire a 2030 first from a third team their offer would be extremely compelling given the franchise will be in ruins when Curry retires so those 2029 and 2031 firsts would be insanely valuable.
Interesting. The plot thickens...
If GS was smart they'd ask for 4 teams Curry would like to play for and score a KD-plus haul and start the rebuild...
Also a reminder for everyone, that the 6-mo moratorium is a two-way ban. That means that if renegotiates and extends on Aug 6, then he can’t be traded until the trade deadline AND if he is traded, then he needs to wait 6 months before renegotiating (and extending).
Because of the 6-month ban on renegotiating after trade, it means a few things:
1) of the teams supposedly in the mix for Lauri, no one will have cap space to renegotiate Lauri. Right now, only Utah and Detroit has cap space. The Pistons are not likely to enter this conversation.
2) The Spurs could theoretically create cap space, either now or in 6-months, by moving off Collins IN ADDITION to whatever salary they send out… but it would probably cost us something to dump him. GSW is well above the cap and isn’t going to be able to find a way to clear space.
3) Even if teams can clear space, the new salary floor only leaves them with the possibility of carrying around $15MM of cap space to renegotiate, which wouldn’t be able to get to the max on a 140% extension - so Lauri would be leaving some money on the table on his next deal in order to get a $15MM/yr raise for a few months (so, he wouldn’t get a full $15MM, he’d only get the pro-rated portion of that, which would be less than half… probably more like 25-33% (I haven’t done that math).
4) If Lauri was all about just getting as much cash as possible, without regard to anything else, his best move is to extend on Aug 6 with Utah. His next best option would be to renegotiate, but not extend, in 6 months then resign for the max using his bird rights. Ultimately, I think he gets traded without any kind of renegotiation, and then resigns for a Bird max before FA starts next offseason. Any team will be in position to do this, there are no advantages or disadvantages one team has over another in this regard UNLESS someone can create CapSpace to get to the floor in 6 months (which is harder to do mid-season, because no one else has capspace to absorb your bad salaries at that point. Utah and DET will be the only teams who MAYBE can do this, but Detroit is beginning to use up their space).
Lastly… the fact Utah is just holding onto their space suggests that they know they’re going to have to be doing something that involves taking back more salary than they are sending out at some point. Even if they wanted to Renegotiate and Extend Lauri on Aug 6, they don’t need as much space as they currently have.
Can’t spell or trade for Lauri without taking that L it seems.
It seems Collins deal is awful
This is kind of what happened in the Donovan Mitc trade, where Ainge negotiated with NYK for a while and things went south, then Cleveland swoop in and took him. Ainge is quite petty, if he can't get his "king's ransom" he might just take an offer that isn't really better just to stick it to whomever it is he feels wronged by. Pretty much only scenario I see where you could pry Lauri with a fair offer.
Definitely the smart thing to do, but not gonna happen tbh. Curry will retire a Warrior, even if it's ugly at the end like Kobe's tenure with the lakers was.
It's not going to happen and i don't want the Spurs to give up too much for him but you bring up an interesting scenario.
What should the Spurs give up for Steffi Curry in the event the Golden Gummybears were willing to trade him?
That or he will pull a Tony Parker and play his final season with Charlotte.
Talking with some Warriors fans I know, they are pretty furious that the apparent sticking point in the deal seems to be Podz. It's kind of like some Spurs fans with Sochan. Both are cute developing players, but neither is good enough to pass up acquiring Lauri for
Anyway, at this point my thought is that if the Spurs don't get Lauri (which I'd say is a 99% certainty that they won't) - I hope the Jazz do extend him on Aug 6 and plan on building around him. Lauri will be good enough to keep them from bottoming out, but not good enough to get them out of the treadmill on his own. The Jazz are a sneaky rival for us in Wemby's prime if the build the right way (and assuming we also build the right way) - so seeing them blow this opportunity and their warchest for nothing will be kind of nice. Will be good Karma retribution for Karl Malone's elbow.
They’re not going to be very good,no matter what they try, being in the west. Do you really want OKC to get a pick in next years draft in the 11-14 range? I don’t.Talking with some Warriors fans I know, they are pretty furious that the apparent sticking point in the deal seems to be Podz. It's kind of like some Spurs fans with Sochan. Both are cute developing players, but neither is good enough to pass up acquiring Lauri for
Anyway, at this point my thought is that if the Spurs don't get Lauri (which I'd say is a 99% certainty that they won't) - I hope the Jazz do extend him on Aug 6 and plan on building around him. Lauri will be good enough to keep them from bottoming out, but not good enough to get them out of the treadmill on his own. The Jazz are a sneaky rival for us in Wemby's prime if the build the right way (and assuming we also build the right way) - so seeing them blow this opportunity and their warchest for nothing will be kind of nice. Will be good Karma retribution for Karl Malone's elbow.
If Lauri isn't artificially shut down again, I'd put them around the 7-8 lotto seed. I'd have BKN, WAS, DET, CHA, POR, CHI all worse.
Getting the 7th or 8th pick isn't what is going to turn Utah around. They need a Top 5 pick next year. And yes, of course they could always get lucky in the lottery... if they hang on to Lauri and somehow get lucky and pair him with Ace Bailey (for example), then they'll end up looking pretty smart for hanging on. But you'd think they'd want to maximize those odds, not hope for lottery luck.
If they did lose their pick next year in the 11-14 range (which would be HILARIOUS), I'm not overly concerned about it going to OKC either. It's OKC somehow getting a Top 5 pick and adding a premier talent that concerns me. Them getting Pick 11 and drafting more Ousmane Diengs or Nikola Topic's isn't going to make me lose sleep. Yes, they plucked Jalen Williams at 12, but they have plenty of whiffs in that range as well. OKC is good and is going to continue to be good. I don't want them adding Flagg or Bailey or Harper or Traore or Edgecomb... but them adding someone at 12 who probably won't play much anyway probably isn't going to be the ultimate dagger in our side.
id be fine moving sochan for lauri tbh
but he'd have to be treated like a legit piece and not just salary/throw-in
while a sochan/lauri frontcourt would work on both ends, im not letting that be the dealbreaker. you're not finding 7 foot klay thompsons growing on trees. but the oversized "playmaker" types seem to be coming all the time.
For sure, and I think most people here understand that. But I see some fans (more on places like Twitter, even one guy who has a pretty big Spurs YouTube channel) with "Not if it costs us Sochan" takes in regards to Lauri, which is pretty braindead.id be fine moving sochan for lauri tbh
but he'd have to be treated like a legit piece and not just salary/throw-in
while a sochan/lauri frontcourt would work on both ends, im not letting that be the dealbreaker. you're not finding 7 foot klay thompsons growing on trees. but the oversized "playmaker" types seem to be coming all the time.
Sochan is one season without improvement away from turning into a worthless asset.
I don't think most people understand how awful on offense Jeremy is and how much his non-existant offensive skillset sets us back on that end of the floor.
His EFG was worst on the entire roster last season. 22 win team. How awful is that? And he had the exact same EFG in his rookie year.
He made no improvements whatsoever other than his one-handed FT form.
Can't shoot whatsoever, average vertical athleticism, awful layup package and finishing around the rim, solid ballhandler for a wing, but has no playmaking skills.
As I posted in Mamu topic, he had better numbers and efficency than Jeremy if we look at games with more than 20 minutes played.
Yeah, Jeremy can be a good defender, but much like awful defenders who aren't worth keeping on the floor for their offense, Jeremy with his current skillset isn't worth keeping on the floor for his defense.
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The longer this drags, the higher the chance that Spurs gets Lauri.
There is no way spur let this opportunity pass by.
Lauri is not traded yet means that Spurs is reasonable and didn't over-bid against themselves.
Likely Wemby already called Lauri and invite him to join, and likely Lauri humbly and eagerly agreed. That's why Spurs is firm about the offer. Warriors is anxious but there is not much they can do.
This is bound to trigger some of the Sochan stans and sniffers who call this website home, but you are spot on. Maybe this is too nuanced a take for some on this board though, but that doesn't mean we should be looking to dump Sochan or that he can't improve... but that's a fair representation of where he is today. He still has some upside to the point where I believe you can probably still easily get a positive asset for him (like a late FRP or multiple SRPs), but it cracks me up to see folks say including Sochan for Lauri is a deal breaker. Right now, he's one of the worst starting PFs in the entire NBA. PER is an imperfect stat, but his (11.50) ranks 66th in the league amongst qualifying PFs, just right above ancient Jeff Green (and for those who don't know PER, 15.0 is an "average" NBA player, though PER undervalues defensive performance and the stat itself recognizes that).
How exactly do tampering rules apply in the NBA? Could Wemby call Lauri and say "hey man I'd love to team up with you"? Is Sean Elliott an employee of the Spurs? Could he call his fellow Arizona Wildcat and put in a word?
Genuinely curious how this works, just for curiosity's sake.
They apply if you get caught.
Podziemski, arrogant as he is (right on brand for those frauds) is much better than Sochan. He's clearly on track to be a starter and might even have "top starter" (cut below All-Star caliber) ceiling.Talking with some Warriors fans I know, they are pretty furious that the apparent sticking point in the deal seems to be Podz. It's kind of like some Spurs fans with Sochan. Both are cute developing players, but neither is good enough to pass up acquiring Lauri for
If the whole point of acquiring Markkanen is to win now, then giving him up makes no sense (especially given their lack of secondary shot creation beyond Golden Boy) . . . of course, the Jazz shouldn't care about that.
Tampering does not apply to players.
Players talk all the time, don't they?
There was the whole Russ/Nephew/PG-13 drama.
https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news...sell-westbrook
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