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He is an old white dude ! He could care less !
He want to win !
It is about winning !!
The goal is to win not come in second place !
Let’s win
The point is to win a le not to teach players about life !
He is an old white dude ! He could care less !
He want to win !
It is about winning !!
The goal is to win not come in second place !
Lauri would definitely help this team learn how to win, which should make Wemby (and the city of SA) happy.
He would also turn Sochan into a bench piece which would make us much better. I hope it works out. If not, are we going to tank and get a player with similar skill, efficiency and fit in next year's draft or free agency? I don't think so.
I'm open to hearing if someone thinks there's another available player in the next year or so that would be better?
As others have mentioned, Keldon, Collins and 3 firsts could work. Probably 4 firsts with just Keldon. I guess it comes down to which first round picks.
I say do it, RC!
Ask Isaiah Thomas
Scott makes some great points in this thread.
Keldon, Zollins and multiple FRP’s aren’t too much to give up. This trade on top of Barnes and CP puts the Spurs back in the post season conversation. Wemby will make the Spurs more attractive to supporting cast players moving forward. We’ll still have plenty of future draft capital.
You do this deal if you’re San Antonio.
What the I’m in
The Chopper endorsement! One of my finest accomplishments in 20+ years on this website.
I don't disagree with some of the takes about non-lottery first rounders. Most don't make it in the league long term, so why not trade them away for a player that has more star potential? But the next draft is loaded with talent and getting Markannen almost assuredly requires trading the Atlanta Hawks 2025 unprotected pick and that's one I'd want to hold onto because if the Spurs got Markannen, it wouldn't make them a real contender, but it would take them out of the running for the lottery with their own pick and if that Atlanta is in the top 6, there is a good chance that the player in that draft is better than Markannen with a couple extra years of relatively cheap salary.
Spurs would have to get lucky to get someone better than Markannen with Atlanta's pick, but yeah I'm not offering any 2025 picks if I'm the Spurs. A serious offer I'd make is
SPURS GET
Lauri Markannen
John Collins
JAZZ GET
Keldon Johnson
Zach Collins
Malaki Branham
Spurs 2026 unprotected first with unprotected ATL swap
Spurs 2028 unprotected first with top 1 protected Boston pick swap
Spurs 2030 unprotected first with unprotected Dallas pick swap + top 1 protected Minnesota pick swap
Minnesota 2031 unprotected first
and I'd be willing to up my offer for Markannen + Collins to
JAZZ GET
Keldon Johnson
Zach Collins
Jeremy Sochan
Spurs 2026 unprotected first with unprotected ATL swap
Spurs 2028 unprotected first with top 1 protected Boston pick swap
Spurs 2030 unprotected first with unprotected Dallas pick swap + top 1 protected Minnesota pick swap
Minnesota 2031 unprotected first
-or-
JAZZ GET
Keldon Johnson
Zach Collins
Malaki Branham
Spurs 2026 unprotected first with unprotected ATL swap
Atlanta 2027 unprotected first
Spurs 2030 unprotected first with unprotected Dallas pick swap + top 1 protected Minnesota pick swap
Minnesota 2031 unprotected first
So now we got Scott, dejounte and Ed confirmed alts...all wound up in some sort of weird sweaty tryst
All three Alts logged in at the same time is what caused the Crowdstrike outage
Pop for him straight up
Oh wait pop is to overrated jazz will turn the deal down
Yeah, let's keep all those picks for Luka or Giannis. 100% sure they're coming.
And players like Lauri are falling for trees, and at a much cheaper price nowadays, as we've seen with recent trades around the NBA. Let's keep on passing any good player available anyway, we'll draft our entire contending roster through the draft, we're so good at that.
Last edited by JPB; 07-23-2024 at 02:10 AM.
How is the color of his skin relevant ? Pop and RC are also white…
I'd bet neither Keldon or Collins are on this team in three years either way, so I don't even view it as losing them. They're as good as gone-- it's just a matter of how & when.
But if you are the Jazz do you want pick swaps in the near future? It’s likely Jazz will be in the lottery and never use the pick swaps. Not sure they want our role players either.
All of these swaps are on Spurs picks so Utah’s position doesn’t matter. It’s better for them because these swaps on other teams’ picks means they’ll be getting the ‘best of’ pick and are thus more valuable than a single team’s unprotected pick.
I think it’s happening
They'd be using the Spurs pick swap so 2026 becomes best of Spurs/Hawks, 2028 best of Spurs/Celtics, 2030 best of Spurs/Mavs/Wolves. The role players are just salary fodder to make the trade legal.
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Wasn't he the GM that did Isaiah Thomas dirty after he got injured??
Since we're back at making potential trade scenarios, I'll repost this from a couple of weeks back. With some updates because stuff happened since.
How would you value our picks?
'26 ATL/SAS swap and '27 ATL are easily the most valuable, I'd argue those two are more valuable than 4 FRPs Knicks traded for Bridges.
'25 ATL isn't as valuable as those with Trae still on the roster.
'25 SAS loses value if we trade it for Markkanen.
'27 and onwards SAS picks are hopefully well into 20s.
'25 CHI could convey because Bulls hate tanking and they shouldn't be among worst 8 teams in both '26 and '27.
'25 CHA is probably not going to convey, but they did improve their roster significantly and they might just make the play-in since so many East teams are going to blatantly tank.
'28 BOS and '30 DAL swaps probably won't be great, maybe if DAL implodes.
'30 MIN swap and '31 MIN top1 protected are a complete unknown, I can see them dropping out of contention by then because this is the best roster they can put together and 7 years is a long time to go.
I'd say those MIN picks would be up there with ATL picks for Ainge, he wants to control MIN's future even more.
Since Jazz has so many FRPs, there are also some options to effectively trade down.
For example, trading '26 ATL/SAS for '26 MIN/CLE would still have a lot of value for them.
Or trading '27 ATL for '27 CLE.
Even if we end up with no FRP in '26 draft it's not the end of the world because we have 5 SRPs that year and could easily move up to mid-20s if we really like someone.
My opinion still hasn't changed, in that topic Dejounte made I went over every single wing in the league with potential high end starter or all-star upside, if we talk the next two offseasons Markkanen and Naz Reid are the only realistic targets that wouldn't murder our cap situation, wouldn't cost us Devin and are still fairly young.
With all the picks we own, Markkenen is a no-brainer.
If we don't get him, trading away #8 and not taking a swing with any of those young forwards will look idiotic.
I think Ainge has done well in acquiring picks, but he seems so determined to win trades that he’s probably missed out on some even trades that could have benefited the Celtics. Ainge put the building blocks in place, but his teams were incomplete. I’ll give him credit for White, but Stevens made the key player acquisition trades for Jrue and Porzingas that put them over the top.
That's a desperate overpay. If Spurs offered something close to that, Lauri would have been a spur next day. Because nobody else is able to make an offer even close to this.
The fact that Jazz is still negotiating with Warriors for 2 Podziemsk + 2 picks means spurs didn't offer that much.
You're like buying a Tesla for $100k. Really nice car, but you don't have double pay just because you have the money.
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