2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

Originally Posted by TD 21

At the notion of "many calling him (Drexler) the second greatest player in the game" . . .

Tier 1: Jordan
Tier 2: Olajuwon, Robinson, Malone, Barkley
Tier 3: Stockton, Pippen, Ewing, Drexler

Agreed except for Stockton, that system pg was overrated AF

Originally Posted by scott

Frankly don't see the point in trading for Cam Johnson for the Spurs, unless its for something like the CHI pick. He's a nice player, but not going to be what moves the needle in a big way and isn't going to be a long-term building block. Yes, he is significantly cheaper (both to acquire and in long-term salary) than Lauri, but Lauri becomes part of a Big3 core whereas Johnson is just a complimentary piece, which we are not particularly ready for without that core trio in place, IMO.

So again, unless it's for the CHI pick, I'd rather just keep the powder dry. If it were the beginning of the offseason and we were going to pair Cam Johnson with some other big acquisition or move, then I'd feel differently.

I like that Cam Johnson is available and could divert attention. If Lauri is too expensive, teams could go for Cam Johnson, and could eliminate compe ion

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

Democrats just engage in a different form of racism when they not only pander the blacks at the lower end of the socioeconomic class in our communities but also make them our representation. You’ll rarely see ever see two blacks with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks.

You'll rarely ever see ANY people with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks. This forum is a good example.

Why would black be any different? And different than two white people?

Originally Posted by JPB

You'll rarely ever see ANY people with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks. This forum is a good example.

Why would black be any different? And different than two white people?

The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

Gee I wonder if there's a long history of subjugation, exploitation, and abuse that still profoundly affects things today. You know, that you're either completely ignorant of, or pretending you know nothing about.

Larry Elder and Ben Carson have never been honest about anything. Go ahead and say Thomas Sowell, too. They all parrot dominant narratives to get handouts from the bosses.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Gee I wonder if there's a long history of subjugation, exploitation, and abuse that still profoundly affects things today. You know, that you're either completely ignorant of, or pretending you know nothing about.

Larry Elder and Ben Carson have never been honest about anything. Go ahead and say Thomas Sowell, too. They all parrot dominant narratives to get handouts from the bosses.

You got the wrong one. I’m black and grew up the hood and have family members still in the hood. I’ve seen both sides from the community I grew up in to where I’m currently at. That type of rhetoric isn’t going to work on me.

Originally Posted by TD 21

At the notion of "many calling him (Drexler) the second greatest player in the game" . . .

Tier 1: Jordan
Tier 2: Olajuwon, Robinson, Malone, Barkley
Tier 3: Stockton, Pippen, Ewing, Drexler

He was in 92.

Olajuwon was asking to be traded and viewed as a diva
Robinson just got hurt and in his second year
Barkley was toiling in Philly and his stock was dropping
Pippen didn’t hit his stride yet
Malone and Stockton didn’t go deep in the playoffs yet
Ewing just wasn’t that good

Whether he was the second best wasn’t the point. He was clearly widely pegged as it back in 92. People were comparing him to Jordan then Jordan destroyed him in the finals to settle that debate.

Hmmmmm

Originally Posted by ambchang

Malone and Stockton didn’t go deep in the playoffs yet

Malone and Stockton went to the WCF that year

Originally Posted by lefty

Malone and Stockton went to the WCF that year

My bad. But they did get eliminated by drexler.

Originally Posted by lefty

Agreed except for Stockton, that system pg was overrated AF

I'd argue he's underrated.

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

That's not why I called Barkley that, you're just making an assumption.

The second sentence I agree with in general, but specifically regarding Barkley isn't not isolated instances that led me (and many others) to this conclusion.

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

You got the wrong one. I’m black and grew up the hood and have family members still in the hood. I’ve seen both sides from the community I grew up in to where I’m currently at. That type of rhetoric isn’t going to work on me.

Lol you have no ing clue what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Lol you have no ing clue what you're talking about.

You’re going to have to do better than that if that’s your retort. It’s just emotional. I do know what I’m talking about and I have the intelligence and the life experience to back it up. What experiences have you had that you think you know better than me?

Originally Posted by TD 21

I'd argue he's underrated.



That's not why I called Barkley that, you're just making an assumption.

The second sentence I agree with in general, but specifically regarding Barkley isn't not isolated instances that led me (and many others) to this conclusion.

So let’s unpack that. Generally when a black man is referred to as an “Uncle Tom” it’s because he has views that differ from the black collective. Barkley isn’t the most articulate individual but he seems to recognize the fact he’s black and I haven’t seen him take up for non-whites in racial situations.

What makes him an Uncle Tom?

"black collective" is a pretty loaded term in itself tbh

Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

"black collective" is a pretty loaded term in itself tbh

Not when it’s two grown men attempting to have a logical conversation

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

Not when it’s two grown men attempting to have a logical conversation

Yeah, it is. Logically.

Everyone has biases. This conversation should be in a different thread.

Originally Posted by John B

I like that Cam Johnson is available and could divert attention. If Lauri is too expensive, teams could go for Cam Johnson, and could eliminate compe ion

Great point, John B. I don't like Cam as a target for the Spurs - but I love that he's out there. It would be fantastic for GSW to get fed up with Ainge so that they just go out and acquire Cam for a lot less, leaving us without our top compe or for the real prize.

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

You’re going to have to do better than that if that’s your retort. It’s just emotional. I do know what I’m talking about and I have the intelligence and the life experience to back it up. What experiences have you had that you think you know better than me?

I actually know a lot of black people and have them in my immediate and extended family. You're just making t up. The way you talk about any of these issues screams white guy. White guy comes out of your pores.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

I actually know a lot of black people and have them in my immediate and extended family. You're just making t up. The way you talk about any of these issues screams white guy. White guy comes out of your pores.

That screams white guy way louder than anything he may have posted.

Nothing better than a bunch of white dudes on the internet telling a black man that his experience is wrong.

No one knows the plight of the African American more than a white guy who has a black guy in his family. Let's listen to this bullhorn of Civil justice.

Originally Posted by Mr. Body

I actually know a lot of black people and have them in my immediate and extended family. You're just making t up. The way you talk about any of these issues screams white guy. White guy comes out of your pores.

Ok you’re not intelligent enough to have this kind of discussion with me. There’s no reason for me to lie about my ethnicity simply for false validation on a sports message board. And you still have yet to provide any well thought out pushback for my opinion. I always welcome different points of view but when your only response is “I must be white” and “You don’t know what you’re talking about” then you’re a moron.

Whether you realize it or not you just perpetuated the very same racism that you accused me of knowing nothing of by questioning my ethnicity for my views. Sorry to disappoint you but all black people don’t think the same nor should we be expected to. That was my original point in my earlier post and you just unknowingly proved it.

Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan

Ok you’re not intelligent enough to have this kind of discussion with me. There’s no reason for me to lie about my ethnicity simply for false validation on a sports message board. And you still have yet to provide any well thought out pushback for my opinion. I always welcome different points of view but when your only response is “I must be white” and “You don’t know what you’re talking about” then you’re a moron.

Whether you realize it or not you just perpetuated the very same racism that you accused me of knowing nothing of by questioning my ethnicity for my views. Sorry to disappoint you but all black people don’t think the same nor should we be expected to. That was my original point in my earlier post and you just unknowingly proved it.

Yep, you pretty figured out Mr. Body in 3 words.

This thread has taken an interesting turn