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i assume if tim's first couple seasons were in the 21st century he'd be #2 at worst on this list
Ranking the top 25 NBA players of the 21st century - ESPN
Without their bias and propaganda . . .
Tier 1: James
Tier 2: Duncan, O'Neal
Tier 3: Bryant, Durant, Curry
Tier 4: Garnett, Jokic, Nowitzki, Wade, Antetokounmpo
Tier 5: Paul, Harden, P. Gasol, Ginobili, Davis, S bag
Tier 6: Doncic, Nash, Kidd, Parker, Green, Iverson, Allen, Westbrook
i assume if tim's first couple seasons were in the 21st century he'd be #2 at worst on this list
Technically the 21st century didn't start until January 1, 2001 so the first of the Kobe/Shaq les shouldn't affect the rankings.
Kobe is the most overrated player ever, tbh.
Which Green are you talking about? LDN, Jeff or even Gerald would be ok. But keep the mouthbreather off of that list...
If we are counting their entire careers
1. Lebron
T2. TD & Steph
4. Kobe
5. Shaq
6. Jokic
7. KG
You look at the rosters Steph and Kobe missed the playoffs with, then you look at some of the rosters Timmy won 50 games with and won playoff series, even a ring since '03 roster was arguably the worst supporting cast out of any championship roster ever.
While I'd move Tim to #2, I think Kobe and Steph belong in the same tier as Timmy and Shaq. Honestly I think Dirk, Pau and AI are getting the biggest disrespect on this list. Pau and AI should go ahead of Harden, IMO, and Dirk probably right behind KG.
Kobe over Duncan doesn’t surprise me - it’s obviously wildly inaccurate but Kobe has always been massively overrated by the media and his unfortunate passing only exacerbated that. But I can’t believe they put Steph over Duncan too.
I mostly agree with OP’s tiers. I’d probably lean towards moving KG and Jokic into the third tier if we’re solely talking about impact on the court and putting less important on accolades. Once you get into tiers 4-6 it gets really into “splitting hairs” territory.
He won only one ring and it looks like Nuggets roster is getting worse each year, but Jokic is easily a top5 player in the past 25 years for me.
In 21-22 season his supporting cast was Aaron Gordon, Monte Morris, Jeff Green, Will Barton, Bones Hyland, Jamychal Green, Austin Rivers, Campazzo, Davon Reed, Bryn Forbes and Zeke Nnaji.
In 23-24 season none of those players except Gordon had a relevant role, most of them either out of the league or barely hanging on. And none of them except Jeff Green were too old or seriously injured.
He won 47 games with that roster and had 6th best offense.
His playoff stats and performances are beyond ridiculous, noone has had so few bad games in the playoffs.
Timmy, Shaq, Steph and Kobe are the only players who have a case to be above him on this list, imo.
He's a clearly better and more consistent performer than everyone else. Noone else would've been able to win a ring with such poor supporting cast other than Timmy and Shaq.
Not surprised. Golden Boy has joined Bryant as their ultimate pets. Essentially, this is BSPN's payment for their both being good for business and highly accessible (so they could control the narrative and have these unprofessional pawns doing what they were now, which is overrating and mythologizing them incessantly).
Agreed. Jokic is the fifth best player I've ever seen (Jordan and James in either order, Duncan, O'Neal), but needs more longevity.
Garnett, my only quibble is his offensive game wasn't conducive to being the hub a championship offense in the way all the others ranked above were.
I know neither Rob, Manu nor Tony were in their primes, but greatness is greatneass and it still manifests itself in some way. There's not a chance in a supporting cast that had 3 future hall of famers can ever be categorized as the worst ever in any category.
Obviously they showed flashes, but it was a ridiculous carry job.
Those are playoff stats for '03 run.
Dirk had Jet averaging 17ppg on 44% from 3pt in 2011.
Hakeem's supporting cast was poor in '94, but they were all in their primes and 4 of them averaged 11ppg.
1. Bron
2-4 any order you want; TD, Kobe, Shaq
5. Steph
6. Jokic
7. Dirk
8. KD
9. Giannis
10. S bag
KG is not a top 10 player from the 00s. Dude is extremely overrated on most all time lists
This is ignorant coming from anyone, but it is specially bad coming from a Spurs fan. There isn't any reasonable argument to have Kobe over Duncan, even taking out the 99 season.
I stop reading any list with LeSoft on top
Honestly, you should stop reading any list that doesn't have LeBron at the top of the greatest players of the 21st century. Like... c'mon man.
He's probably a Jordan stan. They hate LeBron with a passion.
Anyone who uses "LeSoft" is clearly just a hater, but trying argue he isn't the best of the 21st century is just making yourself look stupid.
I’m not going to argue with Bron’s followers. But simply argue that Timmy is better. Never missed playoffs in a small market, 50+ wins every single year without other top players. Anybody on that list comes close??
TD and Shaq belong over Kobe and Steph tbh
guess this settles the manu vs enrique debate
ray over FMVPs, DPOYs, and MVPs lmao
the recency bias to overlook howard entirely and place westbrick that low is hilarious
Same amount of les. 4 each
More MVPs: 4-2
More Finals MVPs: 4-2
More All NBA 1st teams
More Points, More assists, more playoff wins, more finals appearances. Lebron is clearly one of the 21st century
This is so accurate. I understand his greatness, but he was vastly overrated; especially after he died. That’s what happens to people when they pass.
There really is though. 2000 Kobe kinda was mid. But from 01-2012 he was pretty damn good. Duncan was top peak from 01-08. Duncan got hurt in 2000.
Kobe has 5 les and 2 Finals MVPs and 1 MVP. He has a 3peat and Shaq aside Kobe was really damn good in 01 and 02. He didn’t 3peat from 08-10 but he went to 3 straight finals and won back to back which Duncan never did. He also scored more points than Tim and has 7 finals appearances.
He missed the playoffs in 2005 and that hurts him. He blew a 3-1 lead in 06 and quit on his team in game 7 and that really hurts him too. I know Spurstalk likes to just on Kobe and downplay his whole career but that man was great.
Points against Tim (who didn’t miss the playoffs) is his 2011 year where he did in the regular season and played even worse in the playoffs and losing to the 8th seed in the playoffs. That hurts his case anyway you look at it. Plus Duncan shat the bed in the 08 WCFs too and lost first round again in 2009 and got swept by Phoenix in 2010. Duncan was great but if you’re looking at his overall career there are warts on it too.
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