Jeremy Sochan: Future Elite Role Player or Future Star?

[exstatic]

Rui helped a team get to the conference finals. I think Deni is just an overall better player than Sochan, and Mitc helped the Kings make the playoffs for the first time in a 1000 years. I also thnink Mitc is a better player than Sochan.

That's how bad Sochan is. You pointed out 3 guys who you think haven't done much at the #9 picks and 2 of the 3 have done more than Sochan and the 3rd guy, Deni, is arguably just a flat out better player.

The point being,those players are support pieces. You implied it was a bad thing for a top 10 pick to become that.

[poopbox]

The point being,those players are support pieces. You implied it was a bad thing for a top 10 pick to become that.

Sochan isn't even a support piece. The teams he has played on have done nothing but be some of the worst teams in the league, and one of the main reasons they are one of the worst in the league is because Jeremy plays on them.

[Trueblood]

The question I would have is...why would anybody care about Sochan passing efficiency and turnover rate, because he should never have the ball in his hands enough or long enough for that to matter.

I viewed it as a pure tank move the first time...the second time though I am not so sure because all it did was hurt all the other players on the team and destroy Sochan's confidence.

If he has the ball in his hands at all he has the choice to pass, dribble, or shoot. So unless he's shooting 100% of the time, then his ability to handle the ball, control turnovers, and pass well are all important parts of his game...

[Trueblood]

I think it is widely considered a failure for his time playing point guard. I didn't suggest or mean to suggest that I thought it was going to be permanent either. I suppose to respond to your point about Jeremy learning new skills, I agree that would be a good goal, but they went too fast. I think that's a reasonable way to look at it.

This is Spurs Talk. Away with you and your 'reasonable' ways

Just kidding. I can agree with that. No matter how it is spun, I think we all agree it was an abject failure on multiple levels.

[Chomag]

Elite and Jeremy should not be in the same sentence. I just don't understand what some here see in him because I haven't seen 1 thing that he can do that puts him an an elite tier.

[ambchang]

I still see sochan being a high level role player in a few years time. Strong defender, good passer and hub in offence. Nails the open jumper, drive and finish at a decent rate.

Not there yet, but will be there by the end of this year.

[playbonner15]

I still see sochan being a high level role player in a few years time. Strong defender, good passer and hub in offence. Nails the open jumper, drive and finish at a decent rate.

Not there yet, but will be there by the end of this year.

Agree. strong defender/good passer/ nails the open jumper and corner three... it's all i can hope for with Sochan. He's as younger than the Thompson twins so I hope he'll get better in time

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

You people are F'ing morons.

[z0sa]

Not elite at any aspect of the game currently, so nay on elite role player. Future star?

[Pauleta14]

The way some stubborn posters find Sochan a "good passer" is mind boggling considering how many times he missed his 7'5 teammate

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not elite at any aspect of the game currently, so nay on elite role player. Future star?

Yeah, definitely not enough options provided.

[Frenchfred]

The way some stubborn posters find Sochan a "good passer" is mind boggling considering how many times he missed his 7'5 teammate

Agreed. He is not a good passer, just average. He is a below average shooter, has below average athleticism. He is an okay defender. We'll see next year but so far he hasn't done much to prove that he is more than a bench player.

[ambchang]

The way some stubborn posters find Sochan a "good passer" is mind boggling considering how many times he missed his 7'5 teammate

How many times is it?

[Pauleta14]

How many times is it?

countless times

(Pls don't waste time again with ur perimeter "bailout" passes/stats)

[ambchang]

countless times

(Pls don't waste time again with ur perimeter "bailout" passes/stats)

You mean stats don’t work because it doesn’t align with your eye test?

[Pauleta14]

You mean stats don’t work because it doesn’t align with your eye test?

No. I mean in today's NBA raw stats without eye test can be misleading. For ex, nowadays if u pass the ball at the perimeter u get an assist even if the player receiving does all the job'

Check assists below the FT line for ex, those count a lot more. Tre is also one of the worst PG in the league in that aspect/stat, but still get a very decent ast average even if all he does if getting rid of the ball with a perimeter pass.

Same applies for most of Sochan's assists, because him like Tre don't have the confidence and talent to do those. So they avoid doing them (which lead wrongly ppl to think they hated on Wemby)

[ambchang]

No. I mean in today's NBA raw stats without eye test can be misleading. For ex, nowadays if u pass the ball at the perimeter u get an assist even if the player receiving does all the job'

Check assists below the FT line for ex, those count a lot more. Tre is also one of the worst PG in the league in that aspect/stat, but still get a very decent ast average even if all he does if getting rid of the ball with a perimeter pass.

Same applies for most of Sochan's assists, because him like Tre don't have the confidence and talent to do those. So they avoid doing them (which lead wrongly ppl to think they hated on Wemby)

So sochan missed passing to wemby so many times he still managed to passed to wemby enough times for wemby to create and make a shot. Ok.

Btw, do you have any numbers to back it up, or are you spewing whatever comes to your mind as facts again?

[Uriel]

I would be thrilled if Sochan turned into an elite role player. Derrick White is an elite role player, and now he’s getting more playing time in the Olympics than Jayson Tatum and Joel Embiid.

[Pauleta14]

So sochan missed passing to wemby so many times he still managed to passed to wemby enough times for wemby to create and make a shot. Ok.

Btw, do you have any numbers to back it up, or are you spewing whatever comes to your mind as facts again?

Not sure why you're being so defensive tbh

Of course he had assists, what's your point? With all the playing time he had, why wouldn't he?

I'm not hating on Sochan, he's a bit woke but seems a good lad, still hope he shows improvements (last season tho) but his passing or shooting are far from his main issues, his ball handling is less secure than Victor's, his court vision very poor (always head down ffs), he often doesn't sustain his efforts (gives up on plays a surreal amount of time at this level) and doesn't control his emotions (age isn't an excuse for character, see Vic's or Stephon's).

As for the stats, I've seen some pass on ST but please be my guest and prove me wrong with those, let's just deny what we all saw.

[rankingtear]

Sochan is 2nd in net rating with Wemby in 2024. He does a lot of stuff that does not show up in box scores.

[Dex]

Sochan is 2nd in net rating with Wemby in 2024. He does a lot of stuff that does not show up in box scores.

And that's about where I have him ranked unless he blows up this year. His ceiling is probably a good role player and glue guy who can do a lot of the dirty work, but is never going to be elite at anything. I'd be surprised if he ever makes an All-Star or All-NBA/Defense team.

His shooting, as currently constructed, will always limit his ability and his future in the league is probably coming off the bench...

Don't get me wrong...plenty of teams need guys like that on the roster. But people need to pump the brakes on his "potential" just because he was drafted 9th.

[rankingtear]

And that's about where I have him ranked unless he blows up this year. His ceiling is probably a good role player and glue guy who can do a lot of the dirty work, but is never going to be elite at anything. I'd be surprised if he ever makes an All-Star or All-NBA/Defense team.

His shooting, as currently constructed, will always limit his ability and his future in the league is probably coming off the bench...

Don't get me wrong...plenty of teams need guys like that on the roster. But people need to pump the brakes on his "potential" just because he was drafted 9th.

I would not close the book on all defense. He graded as the 2nd best PF at DEPM last season when he actually plays
PF. That puts him as a top 30 impact defender at 20 yrs old. He would still get stronger as he ages. I think him and the Thompson twins are going to be next up on great perimeter defenders.

[Pauleta14]

I could see him make an all defensive team if he becomes the best version of himself

[Dex]

I would not close the book on all defense. He graded as the 2nd best PF at DEPM last season when he actually plays
PF. That puts him as a top 30 impact defender at 20 yrs old. He would still get stronger as he ages. I think him and the Thompson twins are going to be next up on great perimeter defenders.

I could see him make an all defensive team if he becomes the best version of himself

Problem with All-Defense is there is only two teams...so he basically has to be one of the top 10 defenders in the NBA and he has a lot of compe ion at his spot. He also will face the challenge of sharing votes with Wemby as long he is with the Spurs (similar to how Bowen and Duncan affected each other in some voter's eyes)

Obviously it would be great if he could reach that potential for us...but I'll have to see it to believe it.

[Pauleta14]

Problem with All-Defense is there is only two teams...so he basically has to be one of the top 10 defenders in the NBA and he has a lot of compe ion at his spot. He also will face the challenge of sharing votes with Wemby as long he is with the Spurs (similar to how Bowen and Duncan affected each other in some voter's eyes)

Obviously it would be great if he could reach that potential for us...but I'll have to see it to believe it.

It would be his ceiling and a lot of stuff (I listed above^^) would need to happen obviously

But Sochan does have a rare affection for being a glue guy, he seems to love defending and with his grit and long arms could become a nightmare defending lead guards & wings especially if he fixes the stuff that keep him off the floor.

We've seen that type of profile in the past like Tony Allen (I know smaller and used to be a baller in highschool but u get my point, can't find other names rn ^^) for ex