i mean, i really dont think a player going to visit his teammate and train with him is proof of anything other than them being friends, which they can certainly be on different teams. Markkanen is probably not getting traded, and if he is it probably isnt here, but its not going to be because Keyonte ing George went to Finland to hoop with him
To me, Hawks is weaker than Detroit and Charlotte. Your desire to win doesn't matter if you don't have good players.
So, I expect they will be a bottom 5 team. I do value their picks. I won't trade any of these picks for Lauri, even though I'm desperate to get him.
Just need to see. ATL should easily be a play in team if Trae is healthy. But no margin for error. Any injury will have ATL in trouble.
They were #10 in the East last year, and got blown out in the playin game. They also traded Dejounte for basically nothing. I don’t see it.
Who leaped them?
If we think ATL is a bottom 5 team (which I don't), then absolutely all of those picks should be off limits unless we're talking something Lauri for just one of them, and that's it. But... I just don't see it.
I agree...
...but I don't think it necessarily means ATL will be better than last year, just better than the rest of the east. BKN, WAS, DET, CHI should all be shoe-ins to be worse than ATL. That puts CHA-TOR-ATL fighting for the 9 and 10 seeds. I do see them all a distinct cut below the next tier in the east of MIA-ORL-IND-CLE, all of whom could finish anywhere from 4-8, IMO.
So, for that reason, I agree with DPG21920, that ATL has pretty firm footing on a play-in spot, which they might be able to get with only something like 32 wins.
Someone has to make the play-in.
Nets, Wizards, Bulls surely won't.
I'd say Hawks are better than Hornets, Pistons and Raptors.
Especially with no incentive to lose games, unlike those six teams.
Ideally Hornets finally put it together and beat Hawks in the play-in.
The talent gods? They’re worse.
I’m also not sure that CHA and DET will be hard tanking. You don’t need #1 in this draft, and it seems like every other year, there are 2-3 teams that jump in to The Four. Hard tanking hasn’t done for Detroit.
I think you’re clearly underestimating ATL but we will see. Hope you’re right. But I think ATL will be firmly in the play in race barring injury to Trae
Plus I don't feel that CHA is that bad with Lamelo, Brandon Miller, Miles Bridges. If Lamelo is healthy, I think that they finish ahead of the Spurs
It would be pretty ing rad if ATL was worse and CHA snuck in there. For that reason I wish CHA would have taken Clingan over Salaun. Clingan would have been more useful this year.
I think that the Spurs will finish in the bottom 5 this year again. They didn't improve at all.
Current odds on tankathon, I don't think they changed after all the recent moves.
I'd swap Bulls and Jazz after their firesale.
Anyhow, those 8 teams will tank for sure. Some won't do it right away, but eventually it's going to happen.
Maybe Hornets finally put it together and make the play-in.
As you can see, you can't move up by just one or two spots when you're in late lottery.
You either move into top4, keep your spot or move down. That's why I don't like gambling with low odds.
Atlanta has zero incentive to tank and in my book that's +10 wins automatically. Especially in such weak conference.
No way they get into top5 odds if Trae is healthy.
Is Mark Williams status questionable?
They’ve been slowly, stealthily been tearing it down for 3 years, or so. Huerter, Bogdonovic, Jcollins, DJ. They haven’t really gotten much back, either. I think it’s a house of cards.
Hit yourself in the head with a hammer. Your brain needs a recalibration.
Haven't checked lately but leading up to the draft sounded like it was pretty iffy
You're right that the Hawks are worse in an absolute sense compared to last year, but what matters is how good they are relative to the rest of the league. There will likely be a lot more tanking by the worst teams this year because the 2025 draft is perceived to be very strong compared to 2024.
If the draft wheel was in place, or some other mechanism that made losing games on purpose useless, the Hawks very well could finish in the bottom 6 or 7 teams.
Thanks for the insult. What improvement have they made over last year? CP3 is old and was not doing well for Golden State even though he will be a good teacher to Castle. Castle can't shoot, good defender but he can't shoot right now and is a rookie. Harrison Barnes is a good addition but that's about it and Cedi probably won't come back so Barnes is a slight improvement over him.
"I see a lot of trees but where's the forest?"
Think hard about it my guy.No way we are bottom 5 again.Several teams are desperately trying to be top bottom 6 next year.
Spurs had to work hard to be bottom 5 in a season without tanking motivation around the league and the most inexperienced team of all time (factual).
Only a season ending injury of Vic would make ur prediction realistic
Hard to imagine anything short of Point Sochan pt2 or another event, which some posters have mentioned but I dare not to speak into existence, keeping us from some improvement... which kind of draws into question why we didn't do more to improve, but that's beside the point.
We won a few extra games we didn't need to in the Wemby draft year as well... had good lotto ping pong ball results both times... I think the ping pong gods disfavor the uber tankers.
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