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Anything new on this?
Feels like he’s stuck in Utah.
Or was it because he took the Freeze Out Krew off the court?Pop shut down Keldon, Vassell, and Sochan and they still finished 6-2, riding on Wemby’s back.
Anything new on this?
Feels like he’s stuck in Utah.
it really feels like last summer again when the fans were overestimating the roster thinking that Sochan was this juggernaut, Vassel was the second coming of Jordan, Sissoko was this interesting prospect, Wesley was going to be good, Collins was going to be this good center...The roster is pretty much the same with a washed up CP and Barnes who is a slight improvement over Cedi.
People really believe that Pop won't tank again for a chance at a top4 in a much better draft if the Spurs are at the bottom 10?
if sochan,wesley,branham or collins dont improve greatly,Somebody should be fired.Three 1st round picks along with the ext to collins in
3 years with nothing to show for.I actually think chris paul should be a upgrade over tre jones.barnes should be another upgrade at sf.
Our roster is bad no doubt.Just think other teams will force themselves to be bad in a top 5 loaded draft.
Why would CP3 agree to sign with the Spurs if they’re going to tank? Wouldn’t he rather spend his last season(s) competing?
Who knows what Popped offered him?
This talk of him becoming a Spurs coach, and possibly the HC is
It seems he wants to be in Utah. Whether that is more important than winning, I think, will determine if he stays
But can you really see CP3 as compe ive as this guy is playing to lose?? I remember when Timmy was Assistant Coach and he couldn’t bare to watch them lose, TP was wandering what Pop was doing with his young lineup. I don’t know if CP3 would be onboard with purposely tanking. That makes me think there’s still something on the works, not necessarily Markkanen if he’s too expensive but something.Who knows what Popped offered him?
This talk of him becoming a Spurs coach, and possibly the HC is
Oh ya i remember Timmy Dunks as assistant. Esp when that clip was caught of he and Becky looking at each other like WTF as they appeared to be going over starting lineups on their clipboard.
Pains me to say this but could CP0 very much have needed the money?
And or additionally does he delusionally think he is going to return to his 28 year old self?
Or did he think the Spurs would score a legit star FA and will be competetive?
I myself do not want to see an overpay for Markenannz. Would rather suck another year, or at least be okay another year vs jack things up for 6 years with a bad overpay.
Sochan looked good for a rookie - didn't improve at all in his second year. Exact same numbers, even after he got moved back to forward position.
Devin improved, not as much as we would've liked, but he's an efficent 20ppg scorer already and not a negative on defense. Sidenote: his contract will be one of the best in the league in a couple of years.
Sissoko was a project, noone expected him to be a contributor.
Wesley wasn't ever rated by anyone.
Collins recovered from an awful injury, had a good year and then just fell apart in his second season with the Spurs. His defense was beyond atrocious.
His best and even his good days are obviously long gone, but last season he averaged 9/8 in just 26mpg playing for a team that was an awful fit for him.washed up CP
We made huge improvements as soon as Tre was moved to the starting lineup, CP3 is still a better player than Tre and we're guaranteed to have 48 minutes of actual point guard play.
If Castle turns out to be a point guard right away, that would also be amazing.
Now you're ting on everything just for the sake on ting on everything.Barnes who is a slight improvement over Cedi.
Cedi could barely make rotation for one of the worst teams in the league, was a defensive sieve and couldn't play PF.
Barnes' per36 numbers are exactly the same like they were 5 years ago, it's just that his role got reduced due to them having Keegan Murray.
Do you even watch any games other than Spurs? Do you even watch Spurs games?People really believe that Pop won't tank again for a chance at a top4 in a much better draft if the Spurs are at the bottom 10?
Do you even check rosters and box scores? That would be enough to realize that at least 6, probably 8 teams are going to be blatantly tanking and their best players are a few tiers below Wemby.
If Wemby is healthy, we simply can't tank. Just look at how last season ended.
We won three straight, Devin/Keldon/Jeremy got shut down and Spurs still ended the season with 4-4 in their last 8, with 6 of those being against playoff teams.
Wemby's numbers without Devin/Keldon/Jeremy, second/third/fourth best player on the roster?
28/13.5/6.5 with 4.5 blocks in just 35mpg.
He's inevitable. He's going to be a top10 player this season and he looks like someone who really hates losing.
You really don't want to make a player like him unhappy with another tanking season.
The only realistic tanking option would be to pull the handbrake in the final couple of weeks if we can't make the play-in.
My Prediction:
Rumor mill will heat back up and go into overdrive starting this weekend. Warriors, Spurs and some mystery third team will be rumored to have made new godfather offers (we won't be able to confirm this, but most of these "leaks" will be coming from the Jazz FO themselves as they try one last push to get the offer they want). From the 4th to the 6th, this will be the top NBA story.
35% chance he gets traded on the 5th or 6th. 65% chance he renegs and extends with UTA on the 7th.
This thread will add another 20 pages. I'll be responsible for about 4 of them.
Lauri will have a great year. Utah won't be good enough to lose their pick to OKC, but won't be bad enough to get the Top 5 pick they need. Utah fans will simultaneously rejoice another season of avoiding 60 losses while calling for someone to be fired as they add yet another mid-lotto pick who projects as nothing more than a role player. Lauri gets traded next offseason for a fraction of what he would have now. Utah fans cry. Ainge gets a raise.
It would be amazing if he gets traded before the 7th with how much money he'd have to give up to do so.
EDIT: (before the 6th)
Last edited by stnick2261; 07-31-2024 at 02:27 PM.
Lauri wouldn't be giving anything up by being traded because he doesn't have control over that. He would have to hope he doesn't get a major injury this season, but on the flip side he could perform his way into a huge contact.
If he gets traded before Aug 6th, it will be before he is renegotiated and extended. In this case, his value in a trade is lower so he wouldn't cost as much (asset-wise) because he would be viewed as a "1-year rental" regardless of whether he has a back-door agreement to extend with his new team.
Once traded, he has to wait 6 months before he can renegotiate and extend with his new team. Teams can only renegotiate using whatever cap space they have remaining. Since teams are heavily incentivized to at least be at the salary-floor by opening night, they only have the amount of money between the salary-floor and the salary-cap. He makes $18.04mil and there is only $14.06mil between the salary floor and cap, so can only be renegotiated up to $32.4mil and would only be eligible to extend for $45.37mil. That is much less than he can make any other way.
He would make more money by not extending, and getting the max amount in free agency. Even that is less than he can make by renegotiating and extending with Utah first (before a trade).
if the jazz dont move him, lauri absolutely should wait until august 7 to renegotiate/extend. why would you want to be giving it all for Utah who you've expressed a desire to stay with only to be dangled leading up to the deadline. at least that way he puts those concerns to rest and can just focus on the season
All of this has been covered ad nauseum in this thread. No need to rehash it, but here are all the possible options of what can happen:
1) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah, and gets traded. The acquiring team would have to wait 6 months to reneg and/or extend with him, but they wouldn't have the cap space to reneg enough to offer him a max extension. In all likelihood the team would do a reneg on his current salary with whatever capspace they have (if any), and then sign a max deal with them before free agency starts next season.
2) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah on Aug 6. They'll then be eligible to be traded on, and only on, Feb 6, the trade deadline.
3) Lauri renegs and/or extends with Utah after Aug 6. He can't be traded this season.
4) Lauri does not reneg and/or extend with Utah and hits UFA.
Scenarios 2 and 3 are the ones where Lauri makes the most amount of money. The Jazz have the cap space to raise him all the way up to $42.3MM this season. In scenario 1, he'd a most be able to get approximately a $5MM reneg "bonus" (roughly 1/3 of the $14.06 in cap space teams can carry, since only about 1/3 of the season left. Someone may have to correct me on this), so he leaves around $20MM on the table in scenario 1 but he'll still get the same max contract with max raises. Scenario 5 Lauri gets the least amount of money because he can only get 5% raises instead of 8% raises and 4 years instead of 5.
No one acquiring Lauri in Scenario 1 will view him as a rental, and Ainge won't accept a rental price - so that is kind of moot.
I'm trying not to nitpick, but I was under the impression that in Scenario 1 he wouldn't be extending since any team wouldn't be able to renegotiate up to the $38mil he would need to extend for the max. Instead, he would hit Free Agency and only get 4 years and 5% raises. I could definitely be wrong, but that's why I viewed Scenario 1 as very unlikely. I thought he could only get 5 years and 8% raises if it was an actual extension. I need to go check the CBA again.
The Spurs probably offered the most money, plus he can be traded at the deadline.
I meant that Lauri doesn't have control over whether or not he is traded, and also doesn't have control over whether or not he is offered an extension. I think "give up" was the wrong term to use, instead "lose" would have worked.
My prediction:
48% chance he will be a Spur by August 6th. Because Spur's offer is better than Warrior's and anyone else.
48% chance he will be a spur by September 30th. Waiting another two months doesn't hurt Lauri's trade value.
1% chance Jazz will extend him for $35 million annual salary. Then he will be traded to Spurs next summer for more picks than this year (because of his team-friendly salary). But Lauri would have no reason to do that since Spurs already promised him max extension.
1% Chance Jazz will extend him and pay him max salary - $42 million annually. He is not in their future plan. Extending him and giving him $200+ million makes him harder to trade in the future. Then he got injured, then Jazz pays spurs to get rid of his salary. After this happens, Ainge got fired and never find another job again.
So, he will be a Spur 100% chance within one year. Cheers guys!
Where’s the other 2%?
Sorry for my dumb math. You can change the 48% to 49%.
Nevermind, I think I found it. We would get his bird rights in the trade, correct?
That's correct, the Spurs (or any other team) would have his bird rights and can offer him the 5-yr/8% raise max after his contract expires but before FA starts. This is essentially what happened with Siakam and OG last year.
Also, something for folks to remember, I am pretty sure he can renegotiate without extending, meaning the team who gets him can give him a small "bonus" without needing to be able to give him a max extension. Like a "here is $5MM for being a good soldier, we'll get you that max in a few months" - but they'll need cap space to do it (which they may not have).
Lauri sprouts angel wings and ascends into the heavens before the season starts.
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