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    https://www.instagram.com/p/C-IS0Ztx..._web_copy_link

    Basic IG stuff. But buried in there an example of Jeremy's shooting form. Still kind of two handed but seems better than before.

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    Not sure why you're being so defensive tbh

    Of course he had assists, what's your point? With all the playing time he had, why wouldn't he?

    I'm not hating on Sochan, he's a bit woke but seems a good lad, still hope he shows improvements (last season tho) but his passing or shooting are far from his main issues, his ball handling is less secure than Victor's, his court vision very poor (always head down ffs), he often doesn't sustain his efforts (gives up on plays a surreal amount of time at this level) and doesn't control his emotions (age isn't an excuse for character, see Vic's or Stephon's).

    As for the stats, I've seen some pass on ST but please be my guest and prove me wrong with those, let's just deny what we all saw.
    I’m not sure what’s so defensive about it. I’m not about to do another round of work, waste my time to find stats to backup what I say, only for you to take 20 seconds to spew a bunch of nonsense you gleam from some TikTok video comments as your response. It’s annoying and adds zero value to any discussion when your only purpose is to be a wemby Stan here, not extolling how great he is because he clearly is, but to shoot down all his teammates because wemby didn’t win DPoY, get on the all star team or all nba team. It’s annoying because you have consistently demonstrated that you are more a wemby fan (not an issue in an of itself) masquerading as a spurs fan.

    There are stats you can look up yourself, if you can’t find it yourself, it just strengthens my point that you have no interest and/or ability to look up simple things to backup or dispute your own points, instead relying on …. Nothing.

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    I’m not sure what’s so defensive about it. I’m not about to do another round of work, waste my time to find stats to backup what I say, only for you to take 20 seconds to spew a bunch of nonsense you gleam from some TikTok video comments as your response. It’s annoying and adds zero value to any discussion when your only purpose is to be a wemby Stan here, not extolling how great he is because he clearly is, but to shoot down all his teammates because wemby didn’t win DPoY, get on the all star team or all nba team. It’s annoying because you have consistently demonstrated that you are more a wemby fan (not an issue in an of itself) masquerading as a spurs fan.

    There are stats you can look up yourself, if you can’t find it yourself, it just strengthens my point that you have no interest and/or ability to look up simple things to backup or dispute your own points, instead relying on …. Nothing.
    There u go! I almost didn't recognised you with ur previous almost respectful posts...

    "waste your time"??? lmao are you mentally deranged?? You're the one looking for argmentation

    Tiktok?? really? You couln't come up with something better? You'd rather pretend ppl don't watch games but only tiktok videos?? That's how low you're at?

    Again the Wemby stan narrative (how lazy tbh) when I've been on ST since 09', criticise him a lot and when it's AT NO POINT the topic of the discussion. You're AGAIN confusing correlation and causation and going ad hominem, a classic of your low IQ narrative on ST. We know you

    I'm not shooting down Wemby's teammates... at any point, it's not enough to write things down to make them true. If you took time to read I even said that Sochan could make an All defensive team, wow so much hate!

    Your whole post was again pointless, just attention seeking at best, you're just making a fool of yourself Had you really wanted to debate, you'd have gone for those stats you love to refer to but never come up with.

    Don't waste my time answering unless you learn how to exchange respectfully. I come on ST to chill not to deal with mental cases like urs

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    There u go! I almost didn't recognised you with ur previous almost respectful posts...

    "waste your time"??? lmao are you mentally deranged?? You're the one looking for argmentation

    Tiktok?? really? You couln't come up with something better? You'd rather pretend ppl don't watch games but only tiktok videos?? That's how low you're at?

    Again the Wemby stan narrative (how lazy tbh) when I've been on ST since 09', criticise him a lot and when it's AT NO POINT the topic of the discussion. You're AGAIN confusing correlation and causation and going ad hominem, a classic of your low IQ narrative on ST. We know you

    I'm not shooting down Wemby's teammates... at any point, it's not enough to write things down to make them true. If you took time to read I even said that Sochan could make an All defensive team, wow so much hate!

    Your whole post was again pointless, just attention seeking at best, you're just making a fool of yourself Had you really wanted to debate, you'd have gone for those stats you love to refer to but never come up with.

    Don't waste my time answering unless you learn how to exchange respectfully. I come on ST to chill not to deal with mental cases like urs
    What is there to debate. Your entire argument is based on eye test. What am I to do? I have shown stats repeatedly that doesn’t align with your narrative and all you do is continuously moving the goalpost to suit your argument. You started off saying sochan missed countless passes to wemby without any backup, then somehow moved to assists numbers are counted differently as if someone can get assists without passing. It’s bizarre.

    And no, it’s not possible to become a player Stan at all after following a team. Convenient Parker was a spur before then. Surprised you weren’t on the site since 02.

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    What is there to debate. Your entire argument is based on eye test. What am I to do? I have shown stats repeatedly that doesn’t align with your narrative and all you do is continuously moving the goalpost to suit your argument. You started off saying sochan missed countless passes to wemby without any backup, then somehow moved to assists numbers are counted differently as if someone can get assists without passing. It’s bizarre.

    And no, it’s not possible to become a player Stan at all after following a team. Convenient Parker was a spur before then. Surprised you weren’t on the site since 02.
    What are you to do?

    In no specific order...

    - Stop going at ppl for basketball takes with mostly ad hominem arguments

    - Go take a walk or do some push ups

    - If you want to counter one's pov with stats, you need to show or give a link to said stats, not ask ppl to do the job for u

    - Most ppl come here to chill, 100% of posters have had stupid and smart takes, u included, it's the life of a forum.

    Now for the topic itself...

    - Not only I've never been a TP fan, I actually have had a hard time supporting hima a person, he's got so many traits I despise in human beings, I was and still am Manu fan for basketball and personality reasons. Once again your idiotic ad hominem reflex lead you to a wrong conclusion. (stop guessing lmao!)

    - FYI I was on ST years before subscribing, following the games play by play bc there were no stream available at that time for most games. I just wasn't comfortable in english enough. Wrong again Sherlock

    - As for Sochan, I know ur narrative and even anticipated it asking u not to bother using some non exhautive stats, arguing specifically why those aren't. You can keep thinking I'm a hater to make it easier for ur brain to comprehend, it won't make me one.
    One can have doubts, criticism and still be hopefull for a player to turn it around.

    - This will be it for me for this convo, as I told u in a previous one, I trully think you're just a contarian with minimalistic intellectual abilities, mostly going at people rather than their points. Always making it hard for ppl to respect you with the agressive way u engage all the time. It doesn't really do any harm but it's pointless in the end.

    - I'm an optimistic, we can still have a good exchanges in the future, it's all on u mate

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    What are you to do?

    In no specific order...

    - Stop going at ppl for basketball takes with mostly ad hominem arguments

    - Go take a walk or do some push ups

    - If you want to counter one's pov with stats, you need to show or give a link to said stats, not ask ppl to do the job for u

    - Most ppl come here to chill, 100% of posters have had stupid and smart takes, u included, it's the life of a forum.

    Now for the topic itself...

    - Not only I've never been a TP fan, I actually have had a hard time supporting hima a person, he's got so many traits I despise in human beings, I was and still am Manu fan for basketball and personality reasons. Once again your idiotic ad hominem reflex lead you to a wrong conclusion. (stop guessing lmao!)

    - FYI I was on ST years before subscribing, following the games play by play bc there were no stream available at that time for most games. I just wasn't comfortable in english enough. Wrong again Sherlock

    - As for Sochan, I know ur narrative and even anticipated it asking u not to bother using some non exhautive stats, arguing specifically why those aren't. You can keep thinking I'm a hater to make it easier for ur brain to comprehend, it won't make me one.
    One can have doubts, criticism and still be hopefull for a player to turn it around.

    - This will be it for me for this convo, as I told u in a previous one, I trully think you're just a contarian with minimalistic intellectual abilities, mostly going at people rather than their points. Always making it hard for ppl to respect you with the agressive way u engage all the time. It doesn't really do any harm but it's pointless in the end.

    - I'm an optimistic, we can still have a good exchanges in the future, it's all on u mate
    so after all that , nothing to back up. Got it.

    You came with the assertion that sochan missed many passes to wemby, all I ask is for you to back it up. My problem isn’t you said it. It’s you said it over and over again as it’s some fact. It’s not. Numbers contradict what you said, game play don’t back you up. The only thing that backs you up are a bunch of TikTok videos for click bait throughout the year and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.

    As for the Tony vs manu topic, same thing, you came for manu, admitting by my didn’t watch the spurs for a few years conveniently when manu retired, came back for wemby. Player can, not spurs fan.

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    so after all that , nothing to back up. Got it.

    You came with the assertion that sochan missed many passes to wemby, all I ask is for you to back it up. My problem isn’t you said it. It’s you said it over and over again as it’s some fact. It’s not. Numbers contradict what you said, game play don’t back you up. The only thing that backs you up are a bunch of TikTok videos for click bait throughout the year and you swallowed it hook line and sinker.

    As for the Tony vs manu topic, same thing, you came for manu, admitting by my didn’t watch the spurs for a few years conveniently when manu retired, came back for wemby. Player can, not spurs fan.
    You're an idiot. as "your brain is sick"

    I guess you're bored and ST is your whole life but for most of us it's a place to chill and exchange on our passion for the Spurs.

    It's clearly A LOT more for u. You've developped a fascinating mind contortion to always find comfort with ur belief (assuming ppl educate themselves on tiktok is a funny 1 tbh!!)

    I've answered all ur points many times in this convo and previouses ones, I'm ok with the little entertainement ur funny answers give me daily tbh, if you want to make a point with some stats, be my guest, I have better things to do than proving what everybody with a set of eyes saw the whole season.

    Also FYI I took a break from the NBA, not the Spurs, not a fan of hte evolution of the game, lack of defense etc My interest started growing bck with a few players lie Ant and Morant but Wemby was the real motivaton TO MESS UP WITH MY SLEEP because of my passion.

    I barely missed 2-3 games (starting from midnight to 2am) this season, living in London and u want to question my commitment or real love for the Spurs? You're funny

    Have a nice day Don Quixote

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    You're an idiot. as "your brain is sick"

    I guess you're bored and ST is your whole life but for most of us it's a place to chill and exchange on our passion for the Spurs.

    It's clearly A LOT more for u. You've developped a fascinating mind contortion to always find comfort with ur belief (assuming ppl educate themselves on tiktok is a funny 1 tbh!!)

    I've answered all ur points many times in this convo and previouses ones, I'm ok with the little entertainement ur funny answers give me daily tbh, if you want to make a point with some stats, be my guest, I have better things to do than proving what everybody with a set of eyes saw the whole season.

    Also FYI I took a break from the NBA, not the Spurs, not a fan of hte evolution of the game, lack of defense etc My interest started growing bck with a few players lie Ant and Morant but Wemby was the real motivaton TO MESS UP WITH MY SLEEP because of my passion.

    I barely missed 2-3 games (starting from midnight to 2am) this season, living in London and u want to question my commitment or real love for the Spurs? You're funny

    Have a nice day Don Quixote
    You wrote an entire essay with nothing but insults and I care more about this?

    And of course, nothing to back up your claim that sochan missed countless passes to wemby.

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    Derrick is proving he doesn’t need to be a star yet he’s a necessary cog in the championship team, and now in the national team. While Jalen Brown would’ve been the wrong choice and Tatum is not even getting minutes.

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    You wrote an entire essay with nothing but insults and I care more about this?

    And of course, nothing to back up your claim that sochan missed countless passes to wemby.
    That was weak ...

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    That was weak ...
    So no backup yet? Ain’t going to stop you from repeating it like some sort of fact though.

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    So no backup yet? Ain’t going to stop you from repeating it like some sort of fact though.
    Got my daily entertainment!!

    Look, clearly there were too many words and you probably missed some or couldn't focus long enough to reach the 2nd or 3rd lines of my posts so let's try again.

    Take a deep breathe, just relax...

    It's on you to bring the (legendary) datas you keep reffering to, nobody heard of them and we're all looking forward to be stunned by your findings!

    I can't wait!

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    Got my daily entertainment!!

    Look, clearly there were too many words and you probably missed some or couldn't focus long enough to reach the 2nd or 3rd lines of my posts so let's try again.

    Take a deep breathe, just relax...

    It's on you to bring the (legendary) datas you keep reffering to, nobody heard of them and we're all looking forward to be stunned by your findings!

    I can't wait!
    I already did months ago. You just chose to ignore it.

    Besides. You made the assertion. I didn’t.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pa...rt=PASSES_MADE Interpret this is you want.
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    I already did months ago. You just chose to ignore it.

    Besides. You made the assertion. I didn’t.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pa...rt=PASSES_MADE Interpret this is you want.
    See, that's why I can't take you seriously...

    There's nothing in those stats that say Sochan is a good passer. Those general stats don't tell the whole story, we already went through that.

    A bailout "pass" on the perimeter where the recepient has to do all the work will still result in an assist for ex

    If you wanted to contadict my point you'd find the % of assists below the FT line for ex

    It says a lot about you that the eye test tells you Sochan is a good passer with a good court vision and that you can't understand basics statistics

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    Players Shooting Dashboard General | Stats | NBA.com

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    One of the worst offensive players in the league. Even if he were a statistical outlier in terms of rebounding, stocks, "event creation" (spoiler alert: he's not), that's untenable for a starter or high level backup in today's NBA.

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    See, that's why I can't take you seriously...

    There's nothing in those stats that say Sochan is a good passer. Those general stats don't tell the whole story, we already went through that.

    A bailout "pass" on the perimeter where the recepient has to do all the work will still result in an assist for ex

    If you wanted to contadict my point you'd find the % of assists below the FT line for ex

    It says a lot about you that the eye test tells you Sochan is a good passer with a good court vision and that you can't understand basics statistics
    Please keep track of your own arguments. I mean, please. We aren’t talking about him being a good passer. The issue is him missing countless passes to wemby. The numbers do not bear that out.

    It’s so frustrating trying to talk to you about these things because you do not seem to have the mental capacity to follow a simple logical flow.

    And once again, you found nothing. You presented nothing. You made the assertion sochan missed countless passes to wemby and when challenged you threw a hissy fit and demand others to disprove your baseless assertion. It’s comical.

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    One of the worst offensive players in the league. Even if he were a statistical outlier in terms of rebounding, stocks, "event creation" (spoiler alert: he's not), that's untenable for a starter or high level backup in today's NBA.
    Did you just use net rating to say sochan is one of the worst offensive players in the league? Please expand, because I don’t get your logic.

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    Please keep track of your own arguments. I mean, please. We aren’t talking about him being a good passer. The issue is him missing countless passes to wemby. The numbers do not bear that out.

    It’s so frustrating trying to talk to you about these things because you do not seem to have the mental capacity to follow a simple logical flow.

    And once again, you found nothing. You presented nothing. You made the assertion sochan missed countless passes to wemby and when challenged you threw a hissy fit and demand others to disprove your baseless assertion. It’s comical.
    Try reading my post again, your answer doesn't make any sense. You're just brassing air at this point.

    "once again you found nothing".... You're a troll

    Not only I gave u an ex of a more exhaustive stat (below FT line) but I also reminded you multiple times that it's on you to bring those datas bc you're the one constesting. I'm still waiting for those legendary datas...

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    Try reading my post again, your answer doesn't make any sense. You're just brassing air at this point.

    "once again you found nothing".... You're a troll

    Not only I gave u an ex of a more exhaustive stat (below FT line) but I also reminded you multiple times that it's on you to bring those datas bc you're the one constesting. I'm still waiting for those legendary datas...
    So why don’t you show it to back your claims up? It makes zero sense. Numbers show that sochan do not miss passes more than an average PF.

    Wemby misses passes to sochan. Countless ones. Now the onus is on you to dispute that. You are as stupid as they come. Unbelievable. It’s like trump saying Obama wasn’t born in the US and the onus is on Obama to show his birth certificate to disprove it, only people as ridiculously illogical as you would’ve agreed with that train of logic.

    And yes, you have shown nothing. No evidence to back up your claim. It’s as if you try to disprove your stupidity by acting more stupid as if that would work. Every single people who makes a claim should have the ability to back up his or her claim when challenged, the onus isn’t on the challenging party to disprove it. How difficult is that? You are a serial rapist, now you have to show evidence to disprove it. I mean, I’m not sure how this train of logic isn’t so ridiculously stupid that I have to spend pages to explain it to you is incorrect and for you to double down on it.
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    So why don’t you show it to back your claims up? It makes zero sense. Numbers show that sochan do not miss passes more than an average PF.

    Wemby misses passes to sochan. Countless ones. Now the onus is on you to dispute that. You are as stupid as they come. Unbelievable. It’s like trump saying Obama wasn’t born in the US and the onus is on Obama to show his birth certificate to disprove it, only people as ridiculously illogical as you would’ve agreed with that train of logic.

    And yes, you have shown nothing. No evidence to back up your claim. It’s as if you try to disprove your stupidity by acting more stupid as if that would work. Every single people who makes a claim should have the ability to back up his or her claim when challenged, the onus isn’t on the challenging party to disprove it. How difficult is that? You are a serial rapist, now you have to show evidence to disprove it. I mean, I’m not sure how this train of logic isn’t so ridiculously stupid that I have to spend pages to explain it to you is incorrect and for you to double down on it.
    Honestly, not sure where to find those advance stats and don't have that much time. I just visit ST a few times/day

    Timvp mentioned those below the FT line stats for Tre in his post season players analysis, he, like Sochan can have "decent" assist/pass stats but it doesn't give a proper picture bc of the instance I gave u regarding the way "regular" assists are counted.
    Today those are A LOT more generous than they used to be.

    TP passing to TD in the post almost never gave him an assist for ex, today they give u an assist even if you just pass away the ball.

    When I criticise Sochan's passing, it's not technically just the ability to pass itself (not rocket science) but his lack of court vision and habbit of dribbling head down that makes him miss countless of obvious and often easy assists.

    I never thought that him Tre or Vassel hated on Vic, but each of them have had logical bb explanation .

    Tre for ex, is very smart and never/rarely tries anything that he isn't confident he can do, hence his hesitation at throwing lobs or ast below the FT line, those represent a higher risk of TO. Devin is a bit in the same case eventho contrary to Tre he's shown since post ASG a willingness to work on it and take risks. He's shown massive improvement to the point of passing Tre as Vic's best passer. (for all the criticism I've had for the 1st half of the seson, I seem to be among the minority now on ST who really believe in him and can't wait to see his playmaking and passing progesses)

    Sochan is different, just a guess, but I think he has so many aspects of his game to work on that passing doesn't appear as a priority compare to his shooting. Let's hope he's had time to work on it this summer.

    As for his connection with Wemby, Sochan assisted Vic 49 times this season on 74 games played. That's 1.5 ast/game to Vic, which seems decent at 1st, but then u realised that he had a few games with +3-4 ast to him (I recall the MIL game for ex), which means there have been plenty of games wihtout any ast, in those there's also a month of him playing PG (with a lot of opp to assist Vic).

    Now u can keep this debate on the analytic side or u can just use common sense and ur memory of the games. I haven't missed a game and we've all witness Vic's teammates struggle to pass him the ball in postion.

    what is really bothering u? That it's Sochan in particular?

    I genuinely don't get why you're so defensive when I'm not even a hater and said multiplt time I'm still hopefull Jeremy will improve on his fundamentals.

    If you're trying to sell Sochan as a good passer I just don't get it... Forget the stats, we haven't seen the same games

    Aside of saying that I'm wrong, you haven't brought any argumwnt that would defend your point. (If I come a tell someone he's wrong, it's on me to justify or argument, not the guy i'm criticising... )
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    Honestly, not sure where to find those advance stats and don't have that much time. I just visit ST a few times/day

    Timvp mentioned those below the FT line stats for Tre in his post season players analysis, he, like Sochan can have "decent" assist/pass stats but it doesn't give a proper picture bc of the instance I gave u regarding the way "regular" assists are counted.
    Today those are A LOT more generous than they used to be.

    TP passing to TD in the post almost never gave him an assist for ex, today they give u an assist even if you just pass away the ball.

    When I criticise Sochan's passing, it's not technically just the ability to pass itself (not rocket science) but his lack of court vision and habbit of dribbling head down that makes him miss countless of obvious and often easy assists.

    I never thought that him Tre or Vassel hated on Vic, but each of them have had logical bb explanation .

    Tre for ex, is very smart and never/rarely tries anything that he isn't confident he can do, hence his hesitation at throwing lobs or ast below the FT line, those represent a higher risk of TO. Devin is a bit in the same case eventho contrary to Tre he's shown since post ASG a willingness to work on it and take risks. He's shown massive improvement to the point of passing Tre as Vic's best passer. (for all the criticism I've had for the 1st half of the seson, I seem to be among the minority now on ST who really believe in him and can't wait to see his playmaking and passing progesses)

    Sochan is different, just a guess, but I think he has so many aspects of his game to work on that passing doesn't appear as a priority compare to his shooting. Let's hope he's had time to work on it this summer.

    As for his connection with Wemby, Sochan assisted Vic 49 times this season on 74 games played. That's 1.5 ast/game to Vic, which seems decent at 1st, but then u realised that he had a few games with +3-4 ast to him (I recall the MIL game for ex), which means there have been plenty of games wihtout any ast, in those there's also a month of him playing PG (with a lot of opp to assist Vic).

    Now u can keep this debate on the analytic side or u can just use common sense and ur memory of the games. I haven't missed a game and we've all witness Vic's teammates struggle to pass him the ball in postion.

    what is really bothering u? That it's Sochan in particular?

    I genuinely don't get why you're so defensive when I'm not even a hater and said multiplt time I'm still hopefull Jeremy will improve on his fundamentals.

    If you're trying to sell Sochan as a good passer I just don't get it... Forget the stats, we haven't seen the same games

    Aside of saying that I'm wrong, you haven't brought any argumwnt that would defend your point. (If I come a tell someone he's wrong, it's on me to justify or argument, not the guy i'm criticising... )
    Sochan and teammates struggling to pass the ball to wemby is very different from them missing wemby. I’m not even sure what your assertions are anymore. It jumps all over the place when challenged and you have now flat out admitted to not having any backup. It’s all eye test.

    I don’t deny sochan isn’t a particularly incredible passer, because he’s clearly not, but he is at least a slightly above average passer for a PF with limited offensive skills. That appears to be the general consensus and the numbers back it up. But that won’t stop you from repeating the contrary as some sort of fact when it’s been pointed out to you numerous times.

    And no, I’m not saying you are wrong that sochan missed countless passes to wemby, I’m saying you are spewing off your ass you can’t back up. It’s comical that you are putting the onus on others to prove your assertion wrong as in you are always right and some sort of authority. Either back your claims up or admit you just eye test everything and can’t back your claims up.

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    There’s a lot more nuance to this than these choices offer.

    I would say let’s win now by bringing in as many quality vets as possible to surround around Wemby without mortgaging our future to any serious degree.

    Which I think is pretty much what they have done so far this offseason with the smart acquisitions of CP3 and Black Falcon.

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    Sochan and teammates struggling to pass the ball to wemby is very different from them missing wemby. I’m not even sure what your assertions are anymore. It jumps all over the place when challenged and you have now flat out admitted to not having any backup. It’s all eye test.

    I don’t deny sochan isn’t a particularly incredible passer, because he’s clearly not, but he is at least a slightly above average passer for a PF with limited offensive skills. That appears to be the general consensus and the numbers back it up. But that won’t stop you from repeating the contrary as some sort of fact when it’s been pointed out to you numerous times.

    And no, I’m not saying you are wrong that sochan missed countless passes to wemby, I’m saying you are spewing off your ass you can’t back up. It’s comical that you are putting the onus on others to prove your assertion wrong as in you are always right and some sort of authority. Either back your claims up or admit you just eye test everything and can’t back your claims up.
    So you're going to waste my time with "struggling to pass is diff than missing"???

    Also ignore again the fact that it's on you to bring those legendary datas that support ur pov rather than trying to put it on me?

    I genuinely tried. I'm done now

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    So you're going to waste my time with "struggling to pass is diff than missing"???

    Also ignore again the fact that it's on you to bring those legendary datas that support ur pov rather than trying to put it on me?

    I genuinely tried. I'm done now
    If you can’t even tell the difference between struggling to pass and missing passes is, I really dont know what to say. M
    And again, you bring up the assertion that sochan missed countless passes to wemby. So back it up. Otherwise, you are a proven serial rapist unless proven otherwise.

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    If you can’t even tell the difference between struggling to pass and missing passes is, I really dont know what to say. M
    And again, you bring up the assertion that sochan missed countless passes to wemby. So back it up. Otherwise, you are a proven serial rapist unless proven otherwise.
    You're at a level of comfortable idiocy I've rarely encountered tbh.

    OK let me help you, got a few min to spare ...

    You should start by applying ur own advises to yoursef, you are incapable of bringing any data that support ur points but keep asking for those without realising the irony.

    Your same obssesion with those "data" clearly make u miss the big picture and dismiss what you/we've all seen for +100 games (74 games personnaly, haven't watched him last season).

    As a result your (funny) brain seems to have lost any ability to trust what you are watching bc of your own bias.

    Lastly, FYI stats don't teach anything and should not be isolated, it's the best way to end up with a wrong conclusion. They only confirm in a diff way what you are able to see during the games and should only be interpreted in their globality as it's the cobinaisons of multiple datas that gives the clearer picture.

    You are in full intellectual masturbation mode mate, keep playing, you'll end up making those same data say anything you want/need.

    I'll let you have the last word, I'm good, this convo isn't going anywhere

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