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Feels like this has been a foregone conclusion for awhile now
LM might say that but he doesn’t know what Ainge could do and what’s the best for the franchise. He’d trade his own mother to get a better chance at drafting lottery pick(s) next year.
Feels like this has been a foregone conclusion for awhile now
not up to ainge. if lauri renegotiates/extends on august 7 or any day thereafter (as opposed to exactly august 6), he cannot be traded until next offseason
This. Once it was obvious they weren't getting a godfather offer for him, this made the most sense for all parties.
Enjoy the treadmill Utah. Suck it Ainge.
Yes, since like before the playoffs.
Why would this "report", including a tidbit about the Warriors not offering enough, emerge now? Hmmm, I wonder.
The offers will improve if he’s locked in. When he raises and extends will say a lot. If they really want Flagg, they need to trade him. He’s said he doesn’t want to sit out games.
This is definitely the conventional wisdom, but I'm not so sure (but you may very well be correct). I think there has been some shift in thinking on trading for guys on expiring deals (including small deals like Jak to bigger deals for players like OG and Siakam - ironically all trades involving TOR), where there are "assurances" that a deal will be reached at the season so the fact that its an expiring is no longer viewed as a rental or a real risk of losing the player you just traded for.
If the above is true, which is certainly debatable, then there is value to trading for the player ahead of the extension, because you'll have an easier time finding matching salary to go out.
For example, for the Spurs to get Lauri now they only have to send out Keldon or Collins (ignoring for a moment the respective value of those players). If Lauri renegs and extends and can be acquired at the deadline, now they have to send out Keldon AND Collins (which sounds awesome, but again, let's forget the respective value of those players and just assume they are both players we want on our team). This may limit the teams who could be interested, and may limit the amount of draft capital that a team is willing to give up.
Now, if we consider the value of the players going out to match, now the team trading away the player may have to take back bad salary. Does that include more draft compensation? Or does it just have to be accepted that this is part of moving the player? Could go either way. In the case of Utah, trading Lauri post-extension might also limit Ainge's ability to dump Jollins as part of the deal (if he was looking to do so).
In the end, I'm not disagreeing with you... but I think a post-extension trade does complicate things a little bit. Though, teams do seem to find a way to trade for Max Players when they need to.
Just thinking aloud at the variables at play. Personally I'd love to "have to" include Zollins, but how would that change the overall package?
Of course I expect none of this to actually happen... this is all just musings from the doldrums of summer.
People in here edging to Lauri for weeks now
With flattened lottery odds, I wouldn't say keeping Laurie is some sort of crazy move on their part in regards to getting Cooper. They still have plenty of flexibility. I hate Ainge historically but it's not like keeping him is crazy.
Crazy is probably too strong, but it does lower their odds. When you want the #1 player, that lowers your odds further. Your odds of winning are about 1/4 of hitting top 4. That’s a thin needle to thread without hard tanking.
It's a fair point. But I guess I've always thought that the best chance for Lori to get traded from Utah is for him to start demanding a trade, which is probably out of character, but that might change the market and expectations for his return. So keeping him and not playing him is probably our best hope for a trade environment.
So, nothing to show for gifting away the #8 pick…for nothing…
Are you like 5? We got an unprotected FRP in 20131 and a #1 protected swap in 2030. That’s not nothing to an actual grown up who understands what the future is, and doesn’t have a tantrum when they don’t get something now. You’re like the little blueberry girl in Willie Wonka. I WANT ITNOW,DADDY!!!
so not a ing thing until 2031
Got it!
They are tanking less each year, but I still don't expect next year to be a playoff team. CP3 obviously isn't tanking but he's old as so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I know the team doesn't want to appear to be outwardly trying to lose anymore with Victor understandably not into that s***, they're still looking for that number two star in my opinion, unless Castle or Devin prove to be that.
Going slow. No surprise. Better than the DDR years. I'll roll with it. Sure, wish they were a little less rigid in how they approach certain player types, like I don't think they put much weight into shooters or scores much at all. I'm just speculating, but I imagine they don't see much difference between Dalton Knecht and Riley Minnix or whatever his name is.
Just rambling.
Breathe. Lots of time and life will happen.
nothing impressive...Those picks can end up being in the late first round.Dont help us at all at the moment.
not to mention
spurs had already tanked -
why?
to get high picks!
take a second to let that sink in…
tank tank tank
get wemby and get #4 and #8 in the next draft! Wow- ok this makes sense - we suffered thru mediocrity and get lucky as with wemby PLUS - the very next draft TWO TOP TEN PICKS!
then you gift one of them away TO A RIVAL!
sure man…20 ing 31 is fine right after we won 20 ing games
This is still pure speculation. I highly doubt Utah is stupid enough to extend him. If they do, their 2025 pick will have a much higher chance of going to Thunders.
Plus, after getting maximum contract, Lauri's trade value won't be any higher than this year. Because of the 2nd Apron, only a few teams have room (or proper players) to trade for Lauri. Out of these few, no team is lack of a 2nd option. Houston needs a 1st option before doing anything else. Thunders already have a 2nd and 3rd option. Maybe Warriors again next summer. But Spurs can outbid them easily again.
So, I stlll have high hopes for this summer. By August 6th, we will know more.
You people need to chill about this. If Markkannen is being traded, it's not gonna happen until after the 6th. Understand the strategic dimensions.
Right now, Danny Ainge is looking for a sucker; some team that will pay him for an all-star player under a long term contract, when Markkannen is currently damaged goods (being on the last year of his contract). Currently, no team is stepping up to be Danny's ...
But come the 6th, things change: Markannen can R&E, which clarifies the situation. But Utah has to offer it, and Markkannen has to accept, for Markkannen to not get traded; there are reasons for both parties to not do their part.
Markkannen: he'll get a bag from someone this summer, and then he can control where he ends up (as opposed to ending up wherever gives Utah the biggest return). Also he's personally publicly stated that he doesn't like tanking.
Utah: because Utah ownership doesn't want to pay Markkannen a max and because Markkannen being there is enough to pull the Jazz out of the top 6 or so lottery spots (because there is going to be LOTS of compe ion for those slots).
If there's no R&E that when the real bidding starts; because Danny Ainge will have to stop pretending that Markkannen won't leave....
Haha he set off Exstatic instead of one of his casual “pwne jobs.”
I endorse your points!
‘At the moment’ is irrelevant. It’s not nothing.
Where the tanking is valuable is in ensuring your worst case pick is still good. Much better to get #5 in this draft than #7 or #8 probably. I would have been pissed slipping to #7 or #8 in the 2024 draft and missing out on both Castle and Holland.
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