There is Markannen to Spurs Buzz

[The Truth #6]

This is being overblown on multiple fronts . . .

1) It was never happening with the overly conservative Spurs and obvious a while ago that it wasn't happening period, hence the media whining and attention starved (Draymond) Green patting himself on the back and pretending he had some role in this.

2) As good as Markkanen is, he's not nearly good enough to prevent them from finishing with goodish odds at a top 5 pick and they can always tank in season to nudge the odds further.

3) He could easily end up back on the market in 1-2 years.



I've explained this ad nauseam, people like you and your ilk just didn't like the answer.

The hypocrisy/irony of incessantly complaining about someone else's supposed fixation is lost on you holier than though types.

This post seems very on brand for you: reasonable basketball takes, mixed in with extreme prejudice and close-mindedness as you create heroes and villains in your mind. Good stuff.

[R. DeMurre]

I agreed with Ainge when he dealt both Gobert and Mitc , as I think both archetypes are generally roadblocks to a championship-- Gobert being good defensively but still attackable in space while being more or less useless on offense, and Donovan being an undersized SG who's not much of a defender and who stubbornly doesn't want to move over to PG. But he seems to be stuck in no man's land now, and all of those picks he got from Minnesota and Cleveland suddenly don't look so hot in the near future, as both teams are pretty good. I still think he's generally better than most at drafting and swinging meaningful deals, but I'm sure he and the rest of the Jazz FO are looking at the road ahead and thinking it'll be a while before they're threatening for a deep playoff run, and Markkanen's a guy you'd want to add now for a run, not a guy keep to around for a potential run in 2030.

[TD 21]

With regard to #2, I understand that he won’t miss games for the tank anymore at least he supposedly said that. I think they will be right back at around #10 like last year and there will be a threat to losing their pick to Okc again. And thus they will once again miss out on all the potential stars getting drafted in the top 5 range.

with regard to #3, now that he’s a 40-50 mil player for the next five years I just don’t see much of a trade market any more. The new CBA seems to really discourage teams from getting expensive players. I’m not sure he’s even worth that. He just doesn’t seem to have the impact of a 50mil player. I’d say in all likely hood they are probably stuck with him until his last year as a possible expiring trade.

He doesn't have a say and either way, they can make certain rotational decisions or altogether sit their other few good players (namely Sexton and Kessler) down the stretch.

I guess you disagree, but I've got them as a likely bottom 6 team as is: NBA In Tiers '24-'25 (spurstalk.com)

Salaries will continue to skyrocket. Percentage of cap is more important. Between his relative youth, size, un-reliance on athleticism and elite shooting/malleability, barring a career altering injury his value should remain strong going forward.

This post seems very on brand for you: reasonable basketball takes, mixed in with extreme prejudice and close-mindedness as you create heroes and villains in your mind. Good stuff.

In other words, it's a heck of a lot more than you bring to the table.

You're missing the forest from the trees. The agenda/propaganda isn't a minor annoyance to be ignored, it's intentional and designed to brainwash current and future players into thinking their status/"brand" will grow if they play for their pre approved teams (who just so happen to reside in glamor markets and on teams who are accessible/good for business).

If you don't see how that could potentially be harmful and damaging to teams/markets like this, then you're an even bigger fool than initially thought.

While you continue to play amateur psychologist and holier than though, I'll go back to ignoring you and discussing basketball . . .

[CGD]

Two FRPs at most.

I think they’ll end up having to dump that deal in year 3.

[Frenchfred]

Great, another that will be better than the Spurs. We need a high pick next season

[KingKev]

He doesn't have a say and either way, they can make certain rotational decisions or altogether sit their other few good players (namely Sexton and Kessler) down the stretch.

I guess you disagree, but I've got them as a likely bottom 6 team as is: NBA In Tiers '24-'25 (spurstalk.com)

Salaries will continue to skyrocket. Percentage of cap is more important. Between his relative youth, size, un-reliance on athleticism and elite shooting/malleability, barring a career altering injury his value should remain strong going forward.



In other words, it's a heck of a lot more than you bring to the table.

You're missing the forest from the trees. The agenda/propaganda isn't a minor annoyance to be ignored, it's intentional and designed to brainwash current and future players into thinking their status/"brand" will grow if they play for their pre approved teams (who just so happen to reside in glamor markets and on teams who are accessible/good for business).

If you don't see how that could potentially be harmful and damaging to teams/markets like this, then you're an even bigger fool than initially thought.

While you continue to play amateur psychologist and holier than though, I'll go back to ignoring you and discussing basketball . . .

Fassy.

[Spurs Homer]

Great, another that will be better than the Spurs. We need a high pick next season

to trade away for a 2049 pick?

[widowmaker]

Hold on guys just a few more days hes still coming just hang tight.

[KingKev]

Hold on guys just a few more days hes still coming just hang tight.

Just need to offer the CHA 2025 FRP, 20131 Minny pick and a Keldon autograph to get it done.

[sfernald]

There is Cam Johnson to Spurs Buzz...

[exstatic]

I agreed with Ainge when he dealt both Gobert and Mitc , as I think both archetypes are generally roadblocks to a championship-- Gobert being good defensively but still attackable in space while being more or less useless on offense, and Donovan being an undersized SG who's not much of a defender and who stubbornly doesn't want to move over to PG. But he seems to be stuck in no man's land now, and all of those picks he got from Minnesota and Cleveland suddenly don't look so hot in the near future, as both teams are pretty good. I still think he's generally better than most at drafting and swinging meaningful deals, but I'm sure he and the rest of the Jazz FO are looking at the road ahead and thinking it'll be a while before they're threatening for a deep playoff run, and Markkanen's a guy you'd want to add now for a run, not a guy keep to around for a potential run in 2030.

I think he’s good at one thing: holding a fire sale. I don’t think he’s particularly great at drafting, other than obvious top picks. I don’t think he’s great at acquiring talent. Brad Steven’s had to make the couple of key trades to put them over the top, acquiring Porzingas and Jrue.

[exstatic]

There is Cam Johnson to Spurs Buzz...

I’m down as long as nothing unprotected is included. He’s 28, with three years of contract control at about $65M. He doesn’t have the rim running of Markannen, but he’s a higher % long ball shooter.

[Seventyniner]

I think he’s good at one thing: holding a fire sale. I don’t think he’s particularly great at drafting, other than obvious top picks. I don’t think he’s great at acquiring talent.

When did this become a Brian Wright thread?

[exstatic]

When did this become a Brian Wright thread?

I was wondering if anyone would notice the similarities and note that Ainge gets flowers, and Wright gets brickbats for doing basically the same job.

[mo7888]

There is Cam Johnson to Spurs Buzz...

Sarcasm or real buzz?

[Mr. Body]

Thinking a little about Utah's trade a couple years ago where they coughed up Mike Conley, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Malik Beasley and Jarred Vanderbilt variously to Minnesota and Los Angeles for Russell Westbrook, who they waived, and a 2027 LAL first round pick protected 1-4. I feel like the Lakers will be full-on tank mode that year and may try to peel down to being one of the worst in the league. Jazz gave up a really nice veteran point guard and some good role players for possibly nothing.

[vy65]

I think he’s good at one thing: holding a fire sale. I don’t think he’s particularly great at drafting, other than obvious top picks. I don’t think he’s great at acquiring talent. Brad Steven’s had to make the couple of key trades to put them over the top, acquiring Porzingas and Jrue.

Yah, those Tatum and Brown picks sure were duds.

[Mr. Body]

Yah, those Tatum and Brown picks sure were duds.

He literally said other than the obvious top picks.

[exstatic]

I think he’s good at one thing: holding a fire sale. I don’t think he’s particularly great at drafting, other than obvious top picks. I don’t think he’s great at acquiring talent. Brad Steven’s had to make the couple of key trades to put them over the top, acquiring Porzingas and Jrue.

Yah, those Tatum and Brown picks sure were duds.

[Kevin]

Yeah Ainge built the 08 Celtics and laid the foundation for the Celtics most recent finals run. He's made some bad moves here and there but the dude is one of the best GM's in the business.

[Mr. Body]

Ainge and Presti are pretty similar. Together they got scads of very high picks and nailed them. (See Phoenix, who drafted alongside Boston and blew it.) Later picks? Not so much. Lots of Romeo Langfords and Pokusevskis in the mix.

[scott]

I was wondering if anyone would notice the similarities and note that Ainge gets flowers, and Wright gets brickbats for doing basically the same job.

Absolutely - this is what I've been saying about GMs. Sam Quinn basically said that Wright, Presti and Stevens were "better at this than everyone else, teams should stop trading with them" - but I wouldn't put Wright in that camp quite yet. He belongs in the same camp as current day Ainge, someone who wins trades but hasn't won games. All Ainge and Wright have done to this point is tear things down, which isn't to totally discount what they are doing since that is part of the building life cycle. But until they construct teams that can contend, like Stevens and Presti currently have, then they don't belong in the same breath.

Interestingly, Stevens and Presti aren't really comparable at all either. Presti is a shot gun who has built the team by just bulldozing through a massive amount of picks, not afraid of catching a dud here and there and moving on. I'll come back to this in relation to the Spurs a little later. On the flip side, Stevens already had his Big 2 in Tatum and Brown but he's been a laser guided missile in building the rest of the team, seemingly every shot he takes is a bullseye.

Back to catching a dud and moving on... this is where I think the Spurs conservatism bites them. Like you've mentioned elsewhere, the Spurs almost ALWAYS give FRPs 4 years (Sammich and Flasher being the notable exceptions). Maybe that will pay off and Branham or Blake will turn a corner... or maybe we're wasting valuable opportunities that could have gone to someone like Furphy, just keep the revolving door of lotto tickets moving. No need to worry if the 25th or SRP pick in the draft doesn't work out, you just move on. With the number of picks we have coming up, unless we trade them (which we may very well if there are 20131s on the table), we're gonna have to start doing that.

[The Truth #6]

Exactly. The conservative cautious nature is a difference compared to Ainge and Presti.

[exstatic]

Exactly. The conservative cautious nature is a difference compared to Ainge and Presti.

What has presti ever done that was bold?

[Frenchfred]

to trade away for a 2049 pick?

hoping for Cooper Flag