I cannot see Serbia being ready for this game, they gave it all. Now they have 36h to overcome this.
Lol Gobert 12th man
I don't think you can look at this game and conclude Jokic has been the best player in this tournament. That's the entire point I was making. These 40-minute, single-game tournaments allow Lebron to be much more of what he used to be. It's pretty clear no one else has his combination of scoring, passing, defense and leadership. Dude got a triple-double while playing Jokic extremely well. Nikola is better over the 100-plus game NBA season, especially with the pace and rules. He's not better in FIBA.
Man what are you talking about? Embiid was bad most of the whole tournament. This was his makeup game. Same for Curry. And gtfoh with those hypotheticals of Germany being up 14 points. How tf do you know they would have even been up 14? You don’t. Styles make fights and it could have been the complete opposite type of game. I hope you’re not American because I held back from saying this the other day but it was a damn shame to see all that talk about France (yes I know Wemby is on our team and this is a Spurs forum) but there wasn’t a single post about the Brazil game. It’s a damn shame how nobody seems to support their country’s team. I don’t want to bring up race but I know a lot of people on here don’t like how players on USA act for a reason. I’m going to leave it at that. I’m a Spurs fan but I put all that to the side to support. I’m super hyped for this win.Pretty much this, tbh. The US had to steal a player to not get eliminated in this tournament, yet there was "this team is better than the dream team" talk.
The days of team US being a lock to win every gold are long gone. On any given bad night there are more than a handful of teams that can beat them, just like the Spurs could beat the Nuggets at the end of the regular season.
Lebron and Co. are lucky Germany wasn't on the other side of the floor tonight. A more experienced, cohesive unit wouldn't have wasted a 14 pts lead in the 4th, imho.
I’m probably going to get called out for whining or whatever but these are facts and my observations. It’s a shame.
Someone wrote - The USA roster is stacked, but LeBron still is the ultimate boss there
I never said Embiid has performed as the best player throughout (though he's trending closer as he works his way into form), but in the grand scheme he is unambiguously the best player on this team.
That, the relative hole in the middle and Jokic is why they "recruited" him.
Why both sides would want to take the easy way out is beyond me, but that's this era for you . . . start on the two-yard line, win and then receive equal or greater credit to people who did it the hard way.
If it wasn't for Curry, Lebron would be prepering for the Bronze medal game right now, the are you talking about?
Of course I can watch at tonight's game and think Jokic is easily the most impactful player in the World. And to say who the best player of the tournament was, I needed to watch the entire tournament, and, once again, the answer is Nikola Jokic.
Imagine thinking Lebron has been the best player in this tournament only because Curry prevented him from getting knocked out tonight.
so are we rooting for USA or for Wemby to win gold?
I'm Argentinian, tbh.
I wasn't saying Germany would have been up 14pts in the 4th against the US, I'm just saying had they been, they wouldn't have choked it away, because they have more experience on these type of international games.
And I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch, I'm just stating a fact: the days of team US cruising on every game and being a lock for gold are long gone. Don't get me wrong, they are still the heavy favourites, but they can lose on any given night, now.
The effects of Covid. Maybe people will stop underestimating the effects of this disease. We now know that it can cause a lot of problems in the short and medium term by causing a lot of chronic illnesses and reducing performance, especially after several contaminations.
Collet brought out a Victor-Rudy lineup during the game, the guy didn't understand anything. The team is in the final thanks to a few players who overcame Collet's boring and cerebral game, but as soon as the FNT is ahead, Collet persists in wanting to stop playing by thinking FNT is Greece or Serbia. However, it's quite simple in basketball as in all sports: when you stop playing, you lack aggression, and you give ammunition to your opponent. We weren't far from it, it's almost a miracle to find ourselves in the final against "Leebron James" (that's how we pronounce it in France, the French commentators still haven't understood that the "Le" was precisely intended to sound French).
Anyway. Good opposition proposed by the Serbs. It is only in women's basketball that the domination of the USA team is unchallenged.
A third game in a row where France will not be favorites, but that's the French flair. French teams are never as good as when they are outsiders. Hoping that Victor wakes up offensively: we have to see him attack the paint again, head forward, playing with double/euro/huge steps. It will cause whistles. For the rest, we can trust Yabusele and Lessort to martyr their compatriot Jojo and Cordinier to do some "Leebron" things.
The girls now, and Magic Marine against the terrible Belgians.
USA every time. Multiple silver medals is a huge and big enough accomplishment for him and his legacy. He can win multiple championships with our Spurs tho. I highly prefer that! That’s what matters to me as a Spurs fan.
I'll be rooting for Wemby but it's a win/win for me: either Wemby golds or Argentina remains the only team to have beaten NBA's US team.
Either way, I don't think the final will be close. Tonight was the night to beat team US, imho.
Well at least you’re from Argentina. I know there are a lot of American haters rooting against their own team.
And I’m aware that it’s going to keep getting tougher and tougher for them as time goes by.
Yeah, Serbia really the bed in the 2nd half...you could tell it on their faces that they let a historic win get away
Again, glad the USA won...but the storylines would have been crazy
USA niga
The really helped the Spurs in 6 . . . every player/team who has been in enough of them has these types of big game losses on their resume. That's basketball, particularly in the "pace and space" era.
Especially in a case like this where only Jokic could make the U.S. team and obviously their antennas are up because of the magnitude. It's extremely difficult to hold off vastly superior talent in a sport with constant possession changes and scoring opportunities.
Let's be real, Argentina only won in '04 because the U.S. had two players (Duncan and Iverson) who'd have been part of the "A" team, amid arrogance and negligence overcoming their organization.
Random, but who do you have as the GOAT?
It's a matter of "belief". It is true the Spurs had a lot of legends, but they hadn't played a finals series in 7 years prior to that and were all past their primes. In the back of everybody's heads the Heat were the favourites that year. Mid 2000's Spurs wouldn't have choked that series.
Germany are the defending World Champions, I don't think they would have froze like Serbia did at the beginning of the 4th quarter.
Oh, I was absolutely cheering for Serbia, and loudly so. First of all, I always root for underdogs. Second, Jokic was my favorite player for 3 years before Wemby came along. And third, I don't give a about national pride.Who is willing to admit they were secretly either hoping to or fine with losing?
If you wanted to see something historic happen, Serbia winning was exciting as regardless.
I mean, sure. Ignore that Serbia only had the lead they did because they shot an absurd percentage from three in the first half. Stop being lazy. Emojis aren't arguments.If it wasn't for Curry, Lebron would be prepering for the Bronze medal game right now, the are you talking about?
Your inability to separate the "best player in the world" and "best player in a specific stint of games" isn't a good look. Do you think Jokic was the best player in last year's playoffs too? That's why they have separate MVP awards and don't just hand out one "best player in the world" trophy.Of course I can watch at tonight's game and think Jokic is easily the most impactful player in the World. And to say who the best player of the tournament was, I needed to watch the entire tournament, and, once again, the answer is Nikola Jokic.
Imagine thinking Jokic has been the best player in this tournament when he scored one more point than Lebron on twice as many possessions, choked a major lead and couldn't get more than five boards despite playing 38 minutes. But I guess you "watch every game" so what do I know?Imagine thinking Lebron has been the best player in this tournament only because Curry prevented him from getting knocked out tonight.
Yes, watching games helps, but if you can't, at least check the stats before stating one of the most re ed takes of the summer, tbh
https://www.fiba.basketball/en/event...5-nikola-jokic
https://www.fiba.basketball/en/event...4-lebron-james
Personally, I think that answer changes a lot depending on how you look at it. There as ways of cutting it that have me put Duncan at the top and ways of cutting it where Kobe is way ahead of him and Tim is closer to Curry. I tend to think the difference between "greatest" and "best" is a matter of cultural impact beyond talent or accomplishments.
If we're talking about overall cultural impact, Jordan, deservedly or not, would be the GOAT by that standard, and it would be really close between Kobe and Lebron for second, with perhaps this gold having a chance to seal the debate. Then guys like Curry and Paul George have had such huge cultural impacts on young players that they're much higher on the list than some might believe. Tim was great, but almost by his intention, it's easy to overlook him. That's especially true of his peak, which ended a decade before he retired. People saw Old Tim for so much longer than most players that it made many forget that he had much more dynamism and cache once upon a time.
But if we're only talking about the cultural impact on one organization and what he could do as the centerpiece of a franchise, Tim stands alone in the modern era. Maybe Bill Russell makes an argument for "All-Time", but there's no player in NBA history I'd rather start a franchise with. Not Jordan, not Lebron, not K
Last edited by Chinook; 08-09-2024 at 07:28 AM.
So your official take is that you base your rankings off Puerto Rico and South Sudan?Yes, watching games helps, but if you can't, at least check the stats before stating one of the most re ed takes of the summer, tbh
https://www.fiba.basketball/en/event...5-nikola-jokic
https://www.fiba.basketball/en/event...4-lebron-james
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