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I mean we have missed the playoffs 6 seasons in a row and will miss it again next year for the 7th straight season. There’s two ways to look at our future going forward. Positive outlook: we have a young PG in Castle, Vassell might improve, we have our pick and ATL pick next year to hopefully get to high draft picks and we have cap room to sign an all star player. Plus swap in 26 as well. And Wemby is going to improve every year for the next 5 years.
Negative outlook. We wasted all our draft picks on one high end role player in Devin and the rest are bench players. More than half of our players won’t be on the team in the next 2 years. Castle cant shoot and doesn’t really qualify as a starting pg. Brian Wrong chooses the wrong players in the draft again and fails to get the gems available to him (Halliburton, Sengun, Williams, whoever pans out in this draft if it isn’t Castle).
I’m really hoping we get Flagg next year bc I have zero faith in Wrong and Pop to build a contender around Wemby. I mean for s sake we still won’t shoot the three ball in 2024.
at least someone gets it
nah by the original gambit metric, missing on wemby would be fine cuz we in pole position for next tank. If gambit were honest he'd say a 3 year hard tank was needed to clear the dmar LMA rot,. and lo we are in year 2 or 3 depending on your definitions. okc plausible ahs a number one, Houston doesn't. thats where we'd be somewhere in between. Dallas is the worst team in the div becuse they maxed out and didn't ring. End of discussion.
No, the post was made on the leading up to the Wemby draft. I distinctly recall stating that "we could draft Victor this summer and have our future changed forever" or something to that effect, which went on to happen. I also distinctly remember Gambit doubling down on his prediction, something to the tune of "The Grizzlies have Ja, the Pelicans have Zion, the Spurs have: ??". And then, again, we landed Victor.
He's getting a rightful roast on those two factors alone, tbh. And yes, it's pretty inconsistent to ascertain that someone has a terrible future, only to quickly want to spend the money they got by hitting the lottery a week after your "divination", don't you think? Like, that's what makes a prediction good... Getting it right.
E: wait, did I forget to mention that the basis of the "worst future" take was that the Spurs apparently would never recover from "losing out" on trading DDR/LMA for picks? Something the Spurs have never been hampered by? He should be roasted for that as well
And let me double down for the sake of it: I maintain that the Spurs by no means have the worst future in their division, and will likely be reaching a Finals and/or winning it before all other remaining conference team members do so.
Even if it takes another tanking season to get there, I believe in the Spurs much more so than their conference rivals, and hardly anything they've done (and everything their rivals have done, sans the Mavs this season (well I don't see that core being sustained excellence, but w/e)) leads me to hold a contrary opinion, though I know it's an unpopular take to hold here.
Then maybe I'm thinking of a different post, and not the post you guys are roasting him for, because the "Spurs have the worst future in their division" post was made in January of 2021, which is not what I'd consider "leading up to the Wemby draft".No, the post was made on the leading up to the Wemby draft. I distinctly recall stating that "we could draft Victor this summer and have our future changed forever" or something to that effect, which went on to happen. I also distinctly remember Gambit doubling down on his prediction, something to the tune of "The Grizzlies have Ja, the Pelicans have Zion, the Spurs have: ??". And then, again, we landed Victor.
He's getting a rightful roast on those two factors alone, tbh. And yes, it's pretty inconsistent to ascertain that someone has a terrible future, only to quickly want to spend the money they got by hitting the lottery a week after your "divination", don't you think? Like, that's what makes a prediction good... Getting it right.
E: wait, did I forget to mention that the basis of the "worst future" take was that the Spurs apparently would never recover from "losing out" on trading DDR/LMA for picks? Something the Spurs have never been hampered by? He should be roasted for that as well
But if there is some other egregiously bad take different from this one that you are roasting him for (heck, maybe he's made multiple?), then please carry on.
My point is that having this position now doesn't refute the position that the Spurs had the worst future in the vision in January of 2021. The cir stances changed. Where once they had a fairly grim looking future, the lotto gods shone their divine light upon us, and the future is now bright. It's okay to have once believed we had the worst future but now believe we have the best.
Mortgage the future how? Spurs aren't gonna tank anyway and are gonna try to win. OP you're making it sound like there's someone the Spurs can pursue right now. What's the point of this?
Ah, but according to the masses who believe being a front office executive involves unilateral decision making and is more skill than luck, shouldn't the Spurs get credit for positioning themselves to have the best possible odds?
Because if it were the Warriors, Craptors, Heat, Thunder or some other flavor of the month, they damn sure would be made to have been geniuses for that.
Well, I can't answer for the masses, because I'm not the masses... I'm only me and I only have my opinions, not the opinions of the masses.
I've consistently given his FO credit for tearing it down (which is what is required to give yourself top odds) and adding assets. My criticism has been what we do to build from here now that we've bottomed out and have our franchise centerpiece.
I really don't care about the Warriors, Raptors, Thunder, etc other than to the extent they stand in the Spurs way. You seem to have an obsession with the media's view of those teams, or the sanc y of their achievements. I don't share the same obsession, adn frankly see how any of it is relevant to how we evaluate the Spurs.
At playing holier than though, getting defensive/hostile and resorting to ad hominem because you come off as a hypocrite on this . . . some might be called sensitive for this.
You're essentially saying, if not for luck, where why would they be? (which is why my examples, much to your dismay, were in fact relevant and I didn't say anything about the media, you just wanted to get a shot in). So I don't want to hear about what came before or what otherwise might have or could come after.
I expect this from others, but for you this seemed out of left field . . . until I scrolled through the Wembanyama thread. Now I get it: You're a Golden Boy fanboy, so I must have struck a chord.
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Sugus is dead wrong
here's a reciept for your dumbāss Sugus:
mortgage the future by combing draft pickings & assets.
some people on here do what the spurs to tank, which makes no sense to me.
and there's always someone the spurs could pursue tbh.
the point of this thread is i want the spurs to go all in now, instead of a slow build. you won't have to go okc's route anymore with someone like wemby on the roster.
I'm actually not even sure what the you're talking about here... but I'll play along.
You're essentially saying, if not for luck, where why would they be? (which is why my examples, much to your dismay, were in fact relevant and I didn't say anything about the media, you just wanted to get a shot in). So I don't want to hear about what came before or what otherwise might have or could come after.
I expect this from others, but for you this seemed out of left field . . . until I scrolled through the Wembanyama thread. Now I get it: You're a Golden Boy fanboy, so I must have struck a chord.
My comment of "if not for luck..." was specifically in reference to gambit getting roasted for making a post in Jan of 2021 saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division. He was actually pretty close to spot on with that (we actually had the second worst record in the division though, from January 2021 to now, we have a better record than Houston, despite their improvement last season), and the cir stances changed when we got lucky and drafted Wemby.
If we hadn't gotten Wemby, and instead draft Scoot or Amen or Ausar, how would you currently feel about our future? But we didn't... we got Wemby, and thus our future now looks bright. Not seeing what's controversial about this.
As for being a "Golden Boy fanboy"... whatever man. I get it that you have some weird, deep seated bitterness towards Golden State and Toronto, but they aren't relevant to anything I've said in this thread and you're the one who brought them up. It's as if you have some weird, deep seated, bitter obsession. Yeah, I know already said that part... just making sure it gets through just how WEIRD this DEEP SEATED, BITTER OBESSION that you CONSTANTLY BRING UP is.
Thanks.
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TD 21/RJ 24 continuing to just be the thinnest skinned, softest poster around
This is probably the post that drove him over the edge…TD 21/RJ 24 continuing to just be the thinnest skinned, softest poster around
let's face it we've been through some dark times as spurs fans in the past 10 years
Nah let's get Cooper Flag and Ace Bailey and then go for it.
Yesssir #Poop4Coop
For years now, Pop's odd pet lineups have blurred the line between tanking and trying to win. As in, when he puts in our scrubs to lose like at the end of the last season we win more games. Outside of VW, our spectrum of talent is fairly even.
I'm definitely excited for next season, in part to see expectations crash, confusion reign, and hopefully we draft our second star in the process. But VW will be out for blood so it will be interesting to see that as well.
Just rambling...
I think this season could go either way. With health to Wemby and CP3 the playoffs are well within reach. It’ll only take a few other guys stepping up to really be a compe ive play-in team. I also see a scenario where we can’t sustain a period of injuries or tough schedule and begin to manage a soft tank. Our bench is horrid and I think it is premature to wxpect much from Castle although I’m optimistic.
Yeah, lots of possible outcomes. Hopefully CP3 can help our role players be role players and not do more than they are capable (Keldon, Sochan, Devin, basically everybody).
More than division. I'd look at the conference and it's fair to say OKC has prolly the best, non hypothetical future right now.
They have their two cornerstone players, on a good timeline, one entering his prime as an already MVP candidate, the other on a rookie contract for another 2 years as a future top player too, then a bunch of prospects (even if all of them won't pan), and another bunch of picks to draft or trade for a third banana and/or quality role players... And they're already contenders.
Next year's draft and free agency will be key for the spurs. Hopefully they wo'nt run out of luck cos they really need to get a top 5 pick, to get a star or trade for one with the pick. Getting a 8th pick or so would already be a disappoitment. And I'm not sure anyway what kind of said star could be available in a vacuum. So yeah, there's obviously a path but also uncertainty for the spurs. Having Wemby alone doesn't guarantee you future success.
OKC is going to have money problems sooner than later.
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