And more importantly, can we get him on the Spurs?
Boil it down. I know there are draft threads addressing some of this but who is, or rather is there anyone not currently in NBA that IS a sure fire bet?
Wemby bar is too high, but i mean who upcoming is the next notch below Wemby? Sure fire All Star for years?
Flag?
Boozer?
Vlady Schmookovic from Serbia?
Give us one guy that WILL be an annual legit All Star.
Ask in 15-20 years. Spoiler alert: it isn’t Flagg. While he’s a fine prospect, there’s nothing that says generational prospect there. The last two were LeBron in 2003 and Wemby in 2023.
Zion probably would have been one if he didn’t already have health red flags before the draft. That’s part of your prospect profile, and red flags there almost always bite you in the ass.
I'll take annual All Star.
Does not have to be another Tim Dunker Lebron Wemby.
Generational talent? Don't think we've seen him yet. Even with a generational draft like 2003 with 4 hall of famers and 9 all-stars... LeBron was still head and shoulders above the others. There are some definite Tier 1 talents in the next 2 drafts who may end up in the hall of fame or perennial all-stars, but it's hard to see anyone as "generational" other than Wemby right now.
Man, the word “generational” gets tossed around so loosely, it’s totally lost its meaning.
The term generational implies once in a generation...so whoever that is, we won't know for another decade
There are thought to be up to seven All Stars in next years draft. If Traore learns to shoot, he’s going to be evil good, with an amazing first step/burst, and high level finishing and floater already.
I screwed up on the thread le.
I don't mean another "generational" talent ie Duncan Lebron Wemby, but rather who is upcoming that is the next Tier down.
Virtually guaranteed a many years All Star.
Are any of these 7 locks?
Lock =
Chet
Doncic
Banchero
Anthony Edwards
Solid with red flags:
Zion Williamson (altho his fatness was a red flag from Day 1)
Morant (altho his punk ass gangsta wannabe could and should have been sniffed out by a teams draft investigative dept.)
Doesn't even need to be a regular all star. I'd be thrilled with adding an Andrei Kirilenko type, an Andre Iguodala, a Trey Murphy lll, or a Derrick White.
While the roster needs that player, yes, in fact several of them.... we still need a legit #2 All Star level player imo if we're going to achieve Championships.
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Timmy Dunks - Ginobili
NBA generations are more like 10 year more than 20, but yes, it's pretty unlikely that another such player is on draft radars yet. But it's a question where you put guys like Durant and Curry. There are likely HoF-level superstars in the pipeline, and the Spurs are hopefully keeping track of them. Maybe Castle shows that once-in-a-generation growth curve that Kawhi showed. Maybe someone has that once-in-a-lifetime level of day-one readiness that Tim had. We can only hope.
Bam on the Heat did a slow but steady growth to All Star level after 3 years. Bam was a #14 pick.
But yes a Curry or Durant level would work.
So that is my Q. Who is a sure next many years to be All Star available? Is it still a crap shoot or does the' 25+ draft have some absolute locks? Is Flagg a 100% lock? Ive only seen him vs high school compe ion so who knows? How many other Flaggs are there right now?
Again i screwed up in the subject topic.
Should been Generational talent Wemby who upcoming can fit next to him?
Meaning boil out all the speculations. Who is a sure fire guy? Is Flagg the only one?
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As generational talent, I'd look at guys that have physical attributes that are such a physical advantage over the rest of the league that they are the best player compared to the greatest players in their era. For example, Michael Jordan's athletic ability and toughness was far and above the rest of the league in his era. I'd say Shaq in his prime with his size and mobility made him a generational prospect. Same holds true for Lebron and his size combined with being an otherworldly athlete.
I would not say Tim Duncan was a generational talent. He was an incredible basketball player and an all-time great, but he didn't specifically have any physical advantages that other players in his era didn't have. Other players had his size and build. Tim was an average athlete at best. He was talented no doubt and highly skilled, but his advantage came from his work and development as a player, in my opinion.
Wemby is a skilled player, he could be very good if he was just 6'11. But his size and length coupled with his mobility is what I think makes him a generational talent. The dribbling, the passing, the shooting...all that can be duplicated, but to do those things at his size/length and mobility make him otherworldly.
I wouldn't even say Flagg is a sure fire guy, and I wouldn't say he's even a lock to be the #1 pick this draft. There are 5 guys (Flagg, Bailey, Harper, Edgecomb and Traore) who could put themselves in the conversation with big seasons. Traore probably the longest shot, just because he won't have the US media hype surround him (and I think the hype will be big this year, with 4 big time one-and-done prospects in NCAAB this season).
Flagg right now is in pole position, but those other guys definitely could pass him with standout seasons.
While I wouldn't call anyone in this draft a "generational talent" (because this generation's generational talent has already been drafted by the Spurs) the thing about this draft is (right now at least) it looks like there could be 4-5 true alpha-level prospects. It's too early to compare it to 2003, but it has the potential.
The Indy 500 pole position qualifier has won 21 times in 107 races. That’s less than 20%. I’m pretty sure I read that out of the last 10 drafts,the preseason expected #1 pick was actually selected 4 times. Better than Indy, but still less than a coin flip. It’s a horse race that could come down to MarchMadness and the French A league playoffs.
I like this analogy, thanks for that. I'm more an F1 guy, so I'll use Monoco, a track that is notorious for not having a lot of overtaking... and the Pole Sitter has only won 3 of the last 8.
Flagg has pole, but this is going to be a compe ive race and maybe a lot of overtaking! I'm a little bummed we don't have Duke, Rutgers or Baylor in the Maui Invitational this year so I could see one of the big 4 up close and personal.
Flagg looks like the best American HS prospect since Greg Oden, or at least Anthony Davis. So I wouldn't lump him in with other #1 prospects like Andrew Wiggins, Jahlil Okafor, and Harrison Barnes and say it's a crapshoot where Flagg will get drafted. I'd be very surprised to see him go anything but #1, especially with how he showed out against the olympic team.
wiggins and barnes were very hyped coming into college, and while both remained very high picks (wiggins #1), i dont think either was getting any type of generational hype or "best prospect since x" hype. to be seen how Flagg comes out of his freshman year, but the fact that he was hanging with pros with the select team says enough imo
Tell us about this.
Meh US stars looked like they were going 80%
Still good to see Flagg vs some adult compe ion.
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Vlady Schmookovic is legit. People are sleeping on him IMHO.
Flagg would be a great prospect, but a generational talent?? I don’t think he’s at the same level of Wemby to be “generational”.
Anyways, I rather have a DWade than a Lebron next to Wemby. DWade had the mental toughness to carry his team in 2008, much like Manu’s mental toughness throughout his career, likewise Tony even being the smallest in the French team. They both had the ump and toughness to will their team to the next level. The stars really aligned when the Spurs got the Big 3, and under no nonsense Pop. I think Castle has that mental toughness. I don’t know who will the 3rd one, Vassell? He seems to have the offensive game, but Vassell’s mental toughness is suspect, with his defensive lapses (I really thought he’d be a lockdown defender as advertised). Sochan seems to have the mental toughness, but too much holes in his game. It’s not a popular opinion, but Blake has that mental toughness, if only he could elevate his game to the next level (I’m hoping it’s this year).
It’s difficult to have two “generational talent” in a team. A Kobe/Shaq was too much ego to co-exist, and finally broke-up. Besides it’s tough with the salary. I’d rather have multiple Robins around Wemby. It’d be great to get one of the top 7 (potential All-Star) pick next draft. If they miraculously get Flagg, great. But I’m okay with VJ Edgecombe. This kid got some hops.
I get seeing it this way, but I wonder if sometimes the advantage a generational player has is just less obvious/more hidden than things like height, speed, wingspan, and leaping ability. For example, I'd call Steph's high volume high percentage 3 pt shooting generational, even though his physical attributes don't stand out. In his case, we might say he has generational eye/hand coordination or maybe generational reflexes. Things like that are much harder to spot. In Curry's draft, his physical specs were actually noted as a mark against him. A player might have generational determination, grit, or adaptability too while physically having a more ordinary profiles. I'd call Jokic's passing generational also, and again his more obvious physical profile was seen as a reason to not draft him in the first round. His size isn't something we haven't seen before, and his vertical leap is in the lowest 5% of the league, but his court vision is unquestionably generational.
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The odds are definitely good for next year's draft, however there is never a 100% lock.Bam on the Heat did a slow but steady growth to All Star level after 3 years. Bam was a #14 pick.
But yes a Curry or Durant level would work.
So that is my Q. Who is a sure next many years to be All Star available? Is it still a crap shoot or does the' 25+ draft have some absolute locks? Is Flagg a 100% lock? Ive only seen him vs high school compe ion so who knows? How many other Flaggs are there right now?
Again i screwed up in the subject topic.
Should been Generational talent Wemby who upcoming can fit next to him?
Meaning boil out all the speculations. Who is a sure fire guy? Is Flagg the only one?
2003 draft (which I always bring up) had a top 4 mock of:
LeBron James
Darko Milicic
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
which was the order they were drafted (Even ESPN's Chad Ford said "I think Carmelo is a distant third to LeBron and Darko.")
Dwayne Wade was mocked around 5-7 before the draft.
Out of those 5 players, 4 will be in the HoF and 1 was a bust.
This draft may have an exciting top 5, but there will always be a bust somewhere and a hidden gem somewhere else.
Team make-up and player development is incredibly important. I'd rather surround Wemby with Four 3&D players than another all-star who would clash against him.
Virtually every year there is at least one 100% lock.
At to surrounding Wama with Four 3&D players, good luck with that.
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