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    I would be completely stunned if Castle is a bust.

    There's not another player in this draft that I'm convinced will carve out at least a solid long-term role in this league.
    I would be shocked if Sheppard doesn't have a 10+ years career, tbh.

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    Mrs Body making that claim. , I'm worried for Castle now.

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    I'm excited to see what Castle offers and I'm glad we picked him at 4... but I also think we're delusional to not acknowledge their is a non-zero probability that he's a complete bust (this is true among everyone drafted this year).
    You never know and I guess it depends on anyone expectations but giving his skillset, good size, mobility (and probably defensive abilities), I believe his floor should be a good contributor/role player. Shooting could open a lot of things for him and define his ceiling, as an elite role player, a star maybe (not a top one tho imo) if he really get things together.

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    Still wearing the wrist brace.


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    Still wearing the wrist brace.

    How tall is the guy next to him?

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    I still have trouble telling Castle and Vassell apart at a glance. They don't look exactly alike but it's close enough that I can't instantly tell which one it is. Likely it's due to me having seen Vassell often in games but Castle is new to the team.

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    I still have trouble telling Castle and Vassell apart at a glance. They don't look exactly alike but it's close enough that I can't instantly tell which one it is. Likely it's due to me having seen Vassell often in games but Castle is new to the team.
    It's the hair style.

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    I still have trouble telling Castle and Vassell apart at a glance. They don't look exactly alike but it's close enough that I can't instantly tell which one it is. Likely it's due to me having seen Vassell often in games but Castle is new to the team.
    Vassell is more finesse while Castle looks like will bully his defender

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    Yeah, they a good combo as Vassell really doesn’t like taking it to the rim and Castle doesn’t have a problem using his physicality inside to score

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    Castle working out with The Guard whisperer who also trained SGA

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    Castle is going to be NASTY

    Just get the feeling he is a going to blow minds. Castle is such a natural and Spurs type player, the fit is next level.

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    Castle working out with The Guard whisperer who also trained SGA
    That is good. I didn’t know who you were referring to, so I did some searching, and found an article on their history. Interesting that he’s always worked with him, and after he was traded to OKC, Simplis flew in his new teammate, CP3.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/114...t-his-summer/#

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    We already knew buddy was nice…. Like I said a million times, he’s a pg

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    Dude dropped 41 points on the #1 team in the country his senior year of high school.

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    Castle’s shot is NASTY looking.

    Just get the feeling he is a going to blow minds with his bad shooting on open looks. Castle is such a natural and Spurs type player, the fit (with him and all our other nonshooters) is next level.

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    Dude isn’t going to be a good defender next year. It’s gonna take 4 years for Castle to be considered an above average point guard. If at all. I’m not at all high on this pick.

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    Yes they are. Who is the last rookie guard that came into the league as some great defender. Especially at point guard. It’s just not going to happen.

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    Yes they are. Who is the last rookie guard that came into the league as some great defender. Especially at point guard. It’s just not going to happen.
    Most players coming into the L don’t give a about defense. That hardly proves your point.

    Dejounte Murray and Derrick White were both good, and DJ made All D in year 2.

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    My biggest thing about Castle's defense is learning how not to foul. He fouled a bit too much in college. He can get too aggressive with how he bodies and shoulders guys. Already he gets on the verge of pushing it and because Silver's -ass rules give everything to the offensive player, it's a concern. When it works, however, Castle can really get guys off-balance and out of step by how he uses his chest and shoulders on defense without it appearing like he is. He's really strong.

    If he can get that balance right, he's going to be a of a defender.

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    Most players coming into the L don’t give a about defense. That hardly proves your point.

    Dejounte Murray and Derrick White were both good, and DJ made All D in year 2.
    My point is that his defense isn’t going to be good his rookie year. It might be good later on his career, but for those claiming he’s going to come in and have this huge positive impact on defense are going to be in for a disappointment. DJ made his all nba his second year but everyone knew he wasn’t the best defender on the team. Just ask Chinook.

    Castle will be coming off the bench. That’s probably the right play for him. Learning from CP3 is invaluable. But if Pop plays him as anything other than point guard then this was a waste of a pick.

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    My point is that his defense isn’t going to be good his rookie year. It might be good later on his career, but for those claiming he’s going to come in and have this huge positive impact on defense are going to be in for a disappointment. DJ made his all nba his second year but everyone knew he wasn’t the best defender on the team. Just ask Chinook.

    Castle will be coming off the bench. That’s probably the right play for him. Learning from CP3 is invaluable. But .if Pop plays him as anything other than point guard then this was a waste of a pick.
    That’s a weird statement. One of his assets was the size to flex to multiple positions. You want him to play and learn the position, but most people who are not you feel that his defense should be on the floor even if there’s another PG already there.

    As for Chinook, well, he certainly has opinions.

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    My biggest thing about Castle's defense is learning how not to foul. He fouled a bit too much in college. He can get too aggressive with how he bodies and shoulders guys. Already he gets on the verge of pushing it and because Silver's -ass rules give everything to the offensive player, it's a concern. When it works, however, Castle can really get guys off-balance and out of step by how he uses his chest and shoulders on defense without it appearing like he is. He's really strong.

    If he can get that balance right, he's going to be a of a defender.
    I think he was super aggressive knowing he would play limited minutes. He could probably get away with that for a year or two here, knowing he won’t be playing heavy minutes, but will eventually have to dial it back a notch.

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    My biggest thing about Castle's defense is learning how not to foul. He fouled a bit too much in college. He can get too aggressive with how he bodies and shoulders guys. Already he gets on the verge of pushing it and because Silver's -ass rules give everything to the offensive player, it's a concern. When it works, however, Castle can really get guys off-balance and out of step by how he uses his chest and shoulders on defense without it appearing like he is. He's really strong.

    If he can get that balance right, he's going to be a of a defender.
    I agree with this mostly, I would just add that there is something to be said for referees adjusting to certain players physicality in that they seem to let guys known for their physical defense get away with more (Draymond, Dillon Brooks types). Castle clearly enjoys a physical brand of basketball on both ends of the floor, I hope he maintains that mindset even though it will result in some fouling issues here and there, could pay off down the line for him.

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    That’s a weird statement. One of his assets was the size to flex to multiple positions. You want him to play and learn the position, but most people who are not you feel that his defense should be on the floor even if there’s another PG already there.

    As for Chinook, well, he certainly has opinions.
    Combo guards aren’t really what we need. He has great size for a PG. But that goes out the window when you put him as a SG. He can’t actually shoot so having him off ball isn’t really ideal. You want Castle to push the pace of the game, find Wemby as he runs the floor, hit open shooters, and play hard on defense.

    The thing about Spurstalk is they really underestimate how hard it is to be a point guard. And a lot of people grew up on Manu so they think that since Manu was both a SG and ran our offense, all of our guards with size should be that way. And that’s not true. He is 19 and doesn’t know on how to play PG. He doesnt know how to lead a team, how run half court offense in the crunch, how and where Wemby likes the ball. His passes need to be crisper. He needs to be thinking 3 steps ahead on every play. His ball handling has to improve. Basically he needs to learn from scratch how to play PG.

    And imo (and for some reason only my opinion) chasing 2 paths of playing while not being a master of one is stupidity. I said it with Lonnie. I said it with Sochan. I said it with Wemby to start the season. Give the youth a clear defined role at the start and don’t just around with them. If you draft a PG then play him as PG. The Spurs have no idea how to develop positionless basketball. And that’s bc there isn’t such a thing. You need player who know what the they are doing and what the role they have from day 1. Then you branch them out slowly to see what sticks

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