View Poll Results: Most improved Spur from Earth

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  • KJ

    5 7.14%
  • Devin

    15 21.43%
  • Sochan

    39 55.71%
  • Malaki

    2 2.86%
  • Blake

    3 4.29%
  • Collins

    2 2.86%
  • Champaignie

    4 5.71%
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  1. #51
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    What do you think about second year players even being considered for MIP? Should it not reward players make a leap during other steps in their career instead of the most obvious one?
    Ja Morant won it a few years ago when it was clear he was already headed to superstar status the year prior. Likewise Shai has been in the running the last few years also. I expect Wemby to play closer to 25 mins a night and have better efficiency this season. He is probably going to average something close to 25/12/4/4/2

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    Ja Morant won it a few years ago when it was clear he was already headed to superstar status the year prior. Likewise Shai has been in the running the last few years also. I expect Wemby to play closer to 25 mins a night and have better efficiency this season. He is probably going to average something close to 25/12/4/4/2
    I sure hope you meant 35.

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    I sure hope you meant 35.
    Haha I did. Freudian slip up. You never know with PATFO

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    What do you think about second year players even being considered for MIP? Should it not reward players make a leap during other steps in their career instead of the most obvious one?
    I agree with your point. In fact, I thought Devin deserved the MIP instead of Ja that year. It’s the media pushing their favorite to sell tickets. In this case, it’s Wemby. I’d take it. It’s not always the Spurs (or a Spur) in a receiving end.
    Last edited by John B; 09-08-2024 at 06:37 PM.

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    I agree with your point. In fact, I thought Devin deserved the MIP instead of Ja that year. It’s the media pushing their favorite to sell tickets. In this case, it’s Wemby. I’d take it. It’s not always the Spurs (or a Spur) in a receiving end.
    Please go back and look at the jump in Ja vs your baby girl Vassell in 2021-22. If anything Dejounte Murray deserved it more than DV.

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    Sochan hands down. By this time next year he’ll be wrecking Rolls Royces.

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    Pretty good article acknowledging DV’s efficiency last season and his potential for improvement yoy:

    https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/3067067

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    Dev's a shooting oriented elite role player. He doesn't anything else particularly well other than shoot. Defense, rebounding, passing and getting to the foul line are all very meh.

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    DV could appear to improve by getting more open looks and scoring more and more easily. And so his PPG could go up without actually improving his skills if that makes sense.

    As for improving skills, Jeremy has lots of room to work with.

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    Dev's a shooting oriented elite role player. He doesn't anything else particularly well other than shoot. Defense, rebounding, passing and getting to the foul line are all very meh.
    We have to see how he does on a functioning team.
    He'll never be a top tier playmaker, but it gets so much more difficult with awful spacing and if you're the only creator on the floor, which he was in a lot of lineups.
    My biggest issue with him is that he deferred to worse players in a lot of games. He was too passive and allowed Keldon and Jeremy to ruin way too many key possessions in some losses.

    Players like him become deadly with an actual point guard and spacing. I truly belive CP3 and Barnes will transform this team with good decision making and huge spacing improvement over what we had last season.
    I guess Devin will be the starter who spends the most minutes with bench lineups. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't take over against bench players while Wemby sits.

    Still, even if he stays the player he is right now, his contract is amazing value considering the money thrown at players these days. Any improvement he makes will be a bonus.
    I'd be happy with him being a 22ppg efficent scorer who's not a negative on defense. Not everyone can be a superstar.

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    We have to see how he does on a functioning team.
    He'll never be a top tier playmaker, but it gets so much more difficult with awful spacing and if you're the only creator on the floor, which he was in a lot of lineups.
    My biggest issue with him is that he deferred to worse players in a lot of games. He was too passive and allowed Keldon and Jeremy to ruin way too many key possessions in some losses.

    Players like him become deadly with an actual point guard and spacing. I truly belive CP3 and Barnes will transform this team with good decision making and huge spacing improvement over what we had last season.
    I guess Devin will be the starter who spends the most minutes with bench lineups. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't take over against bench players while Wemby sits.

    Still, even if he stays the player he is right now, his contract is amazing value considering the money thrown at players these days. Any improvement he makes will be a bonus.
    I'd be happy with him being a 22ppg efficent scorer who's not a negative on defense. Not everyone can be a superstar.
    CP3 might improve his shooting numbers further still not sure how it will improve his defense, play making or ability to draw fouls and get to the line.

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    CP3 might improve his shooting numbers further still not sure how it will improve his defense, play making or ability to draw fouls and get to the line.
    Devin can improve his defense by himself.
    Playmaking is always easier when you have actual floor spacers around yourself.
    Drawing fouls is an issue, we'll see if he can improve in that regard.

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    Pretty good article acknowledging DV’s efficiency last season and his potential for improvement yoy:

    https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/3067067
    Nice article. This increased efficiency and having competent PG play is what led me to pick Vassell in the poll.

    This quote was funny though, it doesn't seem to have helped Sochan yet.

    All that time spent without a genuine starting point guard may have benefited Vassell and the Spurs in the long run, though.

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    Pretty good article acknowledging DV’s efficiency last season and his potential for improvement yoy:

    https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/3067067
    Great article. Nice pointing out how low-turnover Vassell is. I think he'll start grooving this year as more of a third option behind Wemby and, for now, Paul, and the threats of Barnes and overall cohesion. If Castle can get downhill, that opens things up, too. I think his defense will get better as he can draw less hard assignments.

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    Great article. Nice pointing out how low-turnover Vassell is. I think he'll start grooving this year as more of a third option behind Wemby and, for now, Paul, and the threats of Barnes and overall cohesion. If Castle can get downhill, that opens things up, too. I think his defense will get better as he can draw less hard assignments.
    Yeah, I was quite surprised to see this from The Score; as a Canadian I don’t often enjoy their programming but this appeared to be very well informed article. I’ve been largely indifferent on Vassell over the years (partly for lack of engagement over my frustration with PATFO) but starting to see otherwise on him. Alot of our players were the really thrown into the deep end these last few years between lack of talent, rebuilding, development and let’s be honest strategic tanking. So while no likely perennial all-star has emerged I think we know what we have with these guys.

    What I like about Vassell is he can give you an efficient/consistent 20 a night versus guys who have been paid more to go for 40 one night and 10 the next. If DV reinvigorates that defensive prowess he held at FSU as help and off ball disrupter he is going to be a gem and true member of this future core.

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    Vassell should be much better, need another firepower next to Victor. Sochan should improve his jumpshots and corner 3s. Feels like he's not fast enough for drives, not strong enough for post ups, so his offense is limited but excited to see a Victor-Castle-Sochan lineup in terms of defense. Vassell should be there but i'd rather have him bring out the offensive tools

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    Can Pop improve from last season?

    Will he?
    His strategies will affect how much some players do or do not improve.

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    I don't know that Devin's counting stats will go up at all, but I think he should have much better looks at the basket, so his percentages should be better. The only player I expect to have an increase in ppg is the non-human, so a big increase to efficiency will have to do. And if that allows Devin to expend more energy at the defensive end, I wouldn't hate that either.

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    Why isnt Victor a choice?


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    Why isnt Victor a choice?

    Because he’s the painfully obvious choice for almost any positive aspect poll, and he would win them all, and that would be boring.

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    Vassell should be much better, need another firepower next to Victor. Sochan should improve his jumpshots and corner 3s. Feels like he's not fast enough for drives, not strong enough for post ups, so his offense is limited but excited to see a Victor-Castle-Sochan lineup in terms of defense. Vassell should be there but i'd rather have him bring out the offensive tools

    Thats not a very good sales pitch if your trying to talk up Sochan TBH lol. So why do we have Sochan again? He seems very mid on all aspects of the game.


    I do hope he does at least improve his effectiveness at range though as you stated so he can be somewhat serviceable

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    Thats not a very good sales pitch if your trying to talk up Sochan TBH lol. So why do we have Sochan again? He seems very mid on all aspects of the game.


    I do hope he does at least improve his effectiveness at range though as you stated so he can be somewhat serviceable
    It’s not rocket science. He has more room to improve than the others.

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    Thats not a very good sales pitch if your trying to talk up Sochan TBH lol. So why do we have Sochan again? He seems very mid on all aspects of the game.


    I do hope he does at least improve his effectiveness at range though as you stated so he can be somewhat serviceable
    Because his draft was super weak and BW didn't identify the 2-3 better players available.

    Also bc such a player is ideal for soft tanking lol

    (I still hope he improves but it's his last season/chance really, his main advantage is that contrary to 90% of players he seems to love defending)

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    I think it is best for the team if Devin is the most improved because if he is he is probably playing at an All-Star level and could be a legit #2 on a contender. I voted for Sochan because of all the obvious reasons discussed her ad nauseum. However, the more I learn about Zach Collins off season and the work he's putting in I believe he is the sleeper here. I think there's a good chance he'll shoot near 40% from 3 this year and improve his rebounding. It would be a huge benefit to the Spurs if the team didn't turn into a bunch of wannabes when Wemby goes to the bench.

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    Because his draft was super weak and BW didn't identify the 2-3 better players available.

    Also bc such a player is ideal for soft tanking lol

    (I still hope he improves but it's his last season/chance really, his main advantage is that contrary to 90% of players he seems to love defending)
    One better player after Sochan, JWill.

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