let’s win now

[Sugus]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...-spurs-thunder


Team Terrible future just got ranked first in having the best draft picks of all teams, obtaining those with trade assets that were significantly worse than the other good teams, by a publication who had a history of crapping on small market teams.

No, you don't understand man, that was the old future......... This new future is amazing!!!!


Beautiful that the article mentioned DeRozan (a player we supposedly "missed out a return for" according to OP, since we "traded him too late" and stuff) as a contribution to the asset chest. Some people get it... Others start ty threads, tbh.

[Seventyniner]

No, you don't understand man, that was the old future......... This new future is amazing!!!!


Beautiful that the article mentioned DeRozan (a player we supposedly "missed out a return for" according to OP, since we "traded him too late" and stuff) as a contribution to the asset chest. Some people get it... Others start ty threads, tbh.

Even funnier that the Spurs managed to bring in two more assets in another trade involving DeRozan: Barnes, a useful vet to play bench minutes and mentor the young players, and the 20131 SAC swap.

[Sugus]

Even funnier that the Spurs managed to bring in two more assets in another trade involving DeRozan: Barnes, a useful vet to play bench minutes and mentor the young players, and the 20131 SAC swap.

For sure! I'm personally very high on both the SAC and MIN swaps. Both franchises have been historically terrible much more so than relevant, and we only need one of them to really hit. I see many teams regretting their "win now" moves in a few short years, especially under the new CBA.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...-spurs-thunder


Team Terrible future just got ranked first in having the best draft picks of all teams, obtaining those with trade assets that were significantly worse than the other good teams, by a publication who had a history of crapping on small market teams.

OKC still has a really big warchest, but their chances at top picks are wearing away. I believe they have the next pick or so of LAC outright, which is a big risk for us. Otherwise, everything carries protections.

The Spurs carry that sweet ATL package for the next three years. Otherwise, those swaps years from now are all gambles, but if one hits (high lottery) that's better than anything else.

Utah has a wad, but iirc their MIN and CLE assets come while those teams might still be good.

[exstatic]

OKC still has a really big warchest, but their chances at top picks are wearing away. I believe they have the next pick or so of LAC outright, which is a big risk for us. Otherwise, everything carries protections.

The Spurs carry that sweet ATL package for the next three years. Otherwise, those swaps years from now are all gambles, but if one hits (high lottery) that's better than anything else.

Utah has a wad, but iirc their MIN and CLE assets come while those teams might still be good.

Sneaky good pick for OKC: Miami 2025. Butler is doing his implode and force his way out thing, and they’ll have to trade him sooner than later, or risk losing him for nothing. They’re play in or worse without him.

Sneaky good pick for Utah: LAL 2027, top 4 protected. LA will probably be really bad at his point, but will they be bad enough to enter and stay in the top 4, considering that most years, two of those teams get booted out.

[ambchang]

The window for OKC will be the next 4 years or so (which is a considerable window) because of all the rookie deals coming to an end very soon, and with the talent they have, they are without a doubt a second apron team. Shai and Chet would easily command the max, J Williams is another max, or very near max guy, then the other pieces are a bunch of $25-$35M a year guys, the picks that they have are not that great, other than the LAC as Mr. Body pointed out already. Worst case, OKC core are too young, and didn't get the experience to win a le before the salary cap blows up the team repeating the debacle of the Durant-Westbrook-Harden-Ibaka core a decade or so ago. However, this is a team that is just way too talented, they should win at least one, likely two les.

[intlspurshk]

Just go back to use Sochan as backup PG and SPURS can tank again

[exstatic]

Just go back to use Sochan as backup PG and SPURS can tank again

Not going to happen unless Wemby gets hurt. If their plan was to tank, they never would have signed CP or traded for Barnes.

[mando6599]

Not going to happen unless Wemby gets hurt. If their plan was to tank, they never would have signed CP or traded for Barnes.

Good point.

[Chomag]

Unless actively being sabotaged by Pop (ie, trying to play wemby low 20 minutes a game and other things like line up rotatios), I think this team will be better then yall think this year especially with Wemby bringing it up another notch and actually having a player like Paul thay knows how to get him the ball In the best positions on offense.

THE FO should have given up on hording picks strategies the moment the basketball made it possible for us landing Wemby and now they should be looking to actually use those picks to deal for another Star caliber player to get the team up into another level. Unfortunately hording picks seems to be Wright's thing and all he knows how to do as a GM. So I am pretty concerned about that.

[exstatic]

Unless actively being sabotaged by Pop (ie, trying to play wemby low 20 minutes a game and other things like line up rotatios), I think this team will be better then yall think this year especially with Wemby bringing it up another notch and actually having a player like Paul thay knows how to get him the ball In the best positions on offense.

THE FO should have given up on hording picks strategies the moment the basketball made it possible for us landing Wemby and now they should be looking to actually use those picks to deal for another Star caliber player to get the team up into another level. Unfortunately hording picks seems to be Wright's thing and all he knows how to do as a GM. So I am pretty concerned about that.

No one is going to trade a star player with no issues to us. They just don’t come to the market. It’s not hoarding picks, it’s ensuring that we have enough shots at the target to hit a second star. Two of the most promising young teams, Orlando and OKC are doing the exact same thing, but they’re a year or two ahead. The Nets just started, and they’re a year behind us. This is how unattractive teams/markets have to do it.

[poopbox]

No one is going to trade a star player with no issues to us. They just don’t come to the market. It’s not hoarding picks, it’s ensuring that we have enough shots at the target to hit a second star. Two of the most promising young teams, Orlando and OKC are doing the exact same thing, but they’re a year or two ahead. The Nets just started, and they’re a year behind us. This is how unattractive teams/markets have to do it.

Enough shots? We haven't even taken one yet.

I don't think the Spurs even know how to land or trade for "a star" player...cause they never have without some sort of helpt (LMA wanted to come back to Texas to be close to his family so SA, Dallas, and Houston were the only teams really in play) or it not working out ( Richard Jefferson ).

There is just as high a chance the Spurs never cash any of these picks in for another star player as there is that they cash these picks in for one.

[KingKev]

Unless actively being sabotaged by Pop (ie, trying to play wemby low 20 minutes a game and other things like line up rotatios), I think this team will be better then yall think this year especially with Wemby bringing it up another notch and actually having a player like Paul thay knows how to get him the ball In the best positions on offense.

THE FO should have given up on hording picks strategies the moment the basketball made it possible for us landing Wemby and now they should be looking to actually use those picks to deal for another Star caliber player to get the team up into another level. Unfortunately hording picks seems to be Wright's thing and all he knows how to do as a GM. So I am pretty concerned about that.

I’m growing warm on PATFO again after some real mismanaged years but I think they have their heads out of their asses now. I can’t think of a single deal we missed out on this summer and I know they are fielding calls. We didn’t miss out on any big free agents or trades this Off-season and Ainge likely wanted a Gobert like haul for Lauri. Bridges and DDR and Podcast P were the only other all star caliber players who changed hands. I suspect they will stay nimble over the next year or so and continue to explore all options. We are multiple moves from contention.

[exstatic]

Enough shots? We haven't even taken one yet.

I don't think the Spurs even know how to land or trade for "a star" player...cause they never have without some sort of helpt (LMA wanted to come back to Texas to be close to his family so SA, Dallas, and Houston were the only teams really in play) or it not working out ( Richard Jefferson ).

There is just as high a chance the Spurs never cash any of these picks in for another star player as there is that they cash these picks in for one.

Say you don’t know how to read without saying it. The teams that are up and coming are NOT cashing their picks for aging, disgruntled stars, the only ones that ever come n the market. The “shots” are actually USING the picks to draft players.

[poopbox]

Say you don’t know how to read without saying it. The teams that are up and coming are NOT cashing their picks for aging, disgruntled stars, the only ones that ever come n the market. The “shots” are actually USING the picks to draft players.

Those teams drafted legit stars. We have drafted exactly 1 who has been looked at as a generational talent for years. I most definitely don't want to follow the draft philosophy of the front offices who drafted Chet and J Will and Paolo, because we don't have those type of people in our front office. We have people who draft Sochan and Wesley and Branhim

You know it's people who make those decisions. If you don't have those people...you probably won't make those decisions.

We had 2 top 10 picks this year. We walked away with another pick to far in the future to know what its value is and a a guard that the only thing people universally agree on about him is that he can't shoot. While we have been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league 3 years running

Perfect example of why we don't need to be making these picks.

We can't shoot 3's, who are we drafting?

The guy who can't shoot 3's.

Great. Let's all meet up in the top 5 again next year. Have a good one.

Actually if you look at recent nba history...why would you hold on to your draft picks?

The mavs traded their picks for an "aging disgruntled star" and they made it to the finals

The Celtics traded all of their draft picks for an aging star (Holiday) a 6th man (White) and an always injured center (Porzingis) and won a championship

Minnesota traded all of their picks for Rudy Gobert...one of the most maligned players in the league and they made a conference finals

So yeah...why exactly would you hang on to these things once you get the franchise player ? 75% of the teams who made it to the conference finals cashed in almost all their picks to do it

[ismael-robert]

They want another dynasty, not a couple years of success

[exstatic]

Those teams drafted legit stars. We have drafted exactly 1 who has been looked at as a generational talent for years. I most definitely don't want to follow the draft philosophy of the front offices who drafted Chet and J Will and Paolo, because we don't have those type of people in our front office. We have people who draft Sochan and Wesley and Branhim

You know it's people who make those decisions. If you don't have those people...you probably won't make those decisions.

We had 2 top 10 picks this year. We walked away with another pick to far in the future to know what its value is and a a guard that the only thing people universally agree on about him is that he can't shoot. While we have been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league 3 years running

Perfect example of why we don't need to be making these picks.

We can't shoot 3's, who are we drafting?

The guy who can't shoot 3's.

Great. Let's all meet up in the top 5 again next year. Have a good one.

Actually if you look at recent nba history...why would you hold on to your draft picks?

The mavs traded their picks for an "aging disgruntled star" and they made it to the finals

The Celtics traded all of their draft picks for an aging star (Holiday) a 6th man (White) and an always injured center (Porzingis) and won a championship

Minnesota traded all of their picks for Rudy Gobert...one of the most maligned players in the league and they made a conference finals

So yeah...why exactly would you hang on to these things once you get the franchise player ? 75% of the teams who made it to the conference finals cashed in almost all their picks to do it

Typical casual take, equating all FRPs. Mavs, Celts, and Tpups current picks are crap. Our picks will be mid for a few years, and then crap. We hold 3 unprotected future firsts that could be very good. The 4 swaps could cash us out pretty well, too. We don’t have to hit all 7 picks and swaps, just maybe 1 or 2. It’s not like OKC didn’t have duds. Poku, Dieng (cost THREE FRPs), Giddey,trading away Sengün. They had their franchise guy SGA on board and still made their picks, hitting on Jalen Williams and Chet, but missing on pretty much everything else. THAT’S WHY YOU KEEP AND MAKE ALL OF YOUR FRPs.

[scott]

Say you don’t know how to read without saying it. The teams that are up and coming are NOT cashing their picks for aging, disgruntled stars, the only ones that ever come n the market. The “shots” are actually USING the picks to draft players.

I like that strategy. I was living under a rock, so let me check out what we ended up doing with two top ten picks this past draft…

[exstatic]

I like that strategy. I was living under a rock, so let me check out what we ended up doing with two top ten picks this past draft…

Picked a promising young PG, and kicked one down the he road to avoid a possible pick jam, getting an unproypick and a#1 protected swap. But you knew that already. It was a crap draft, and I’m glad the kicked the second pick down the road.

[scott]

One day we’ll finally take those shots! Just waiting for the perfect moment!

[exstatic]

One day we’ll finally take those shots! Just waiting for the perfect moment!

One will be next year, one in 2026, and one in 2027. It’s not about perfect, but about not terrible like the 2024 draft. Kicking that second pick down the road is very low risk. Hard to imagine a worse draft in the next 10 years, and Ant’s contract expires in 2029. He’ll probably be gone before then, though. Nobody stays in Minny. Gobert will be retired and KAT will probably be cashed out in a trade.

[ambchang]

I love how top ten picks mean the same as drafting superstars. Didn’t realize Paolo and Chet were drafted -#9 and #4, and were this good before they started the season.

For all the awesome rep OKC got, the only hit they really got was J-dub. That’s it. And that’s after 6 or 7 years of drafting. Their leading young player was forced upon them by Kawhi.

[dn0774]

One will be next year, one in 2026, and one in 2027. It’s not about perfect, but about not terrible like the 2024 draft. Kicking that second pick down the road is very low risk. Hard to imagine a worse draft in the next 10 years, and Ant’s contract expires in 2029. He’ll probably be gone before then, though. Nobody stays in Minny. Gobert will be retired and KAT will probably be cashed out in a trade.

I really think part of the logic to getting those Minny picks in 2030/31 is a bet on Ant wanting out in 3 or 4 years. Getting their own picks back could be awfully attractive for the Wolves if things go south.

[BackHome]

It is funny some of the same people complaining about tanking are the same ones complaining about our record when we got Wemby. I remember people winning “Oh there is no way we getting #1 pick, We got Zero Chance of getting Wemby, Why we waisting another year loosing”.

People need to sit back enjoy the development and trust in the process- We are not the Flakers we are never going to buy a Championship. And please stop with the “So many players are going to want to play with Wemby as we never saw that with Timmy.

[KingKev]

It is funny some of the same people complaining about tanking are the same ones complaining about our record when we got Wemby. I remember people winning “Oh there is no way we getting #1 pick, We got Zero Chance of getting Wemby, Why we waisting another year loosing”.

People need to sit back enjoy the development and trust in the process- We are not the Flakers we are never going to buy a Championship. And please stop with the “So many players are going to want to play with Wemby as we never saw that with Timmy.

I disagree I think Wemby will have much more gravity than Duncan. We won’t be a premier destination but definitely top second tier and will definitely be a preferred destination for vets if we start winning.