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    Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.
    haha coupe chips with the Lakers too bro

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    haha coupe chips with the Lakers too bro
    He was also part of the second CHI three peat.

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    I think one of them maybe had a brother that went there.
    last year Rutgers recruited Jamichaels Davis, who like Ace is from Chattanooga,TN and they are best friends. that built the connection to Ace.
    (maybe this was the big plan, when they recruited Davis)
    the connection of Harper and his older brother has been mentioned. their mother Maria (former Div I player and now highschool coach, she was the one to coach her sons) seems to play a big role in this, starting with the case that Rutgers was one of few programs to offer Ron Harper and they really courted him. Maria seems to have built a good connection to Steve Pikiell over that four years. Maria and young Dylan went to most games of his brother, he Dylan was already feeling like part of the team.
    so both had their connections to rutgers and finally Ace and Dylan, who of course know each other for some time, started doing calls that they would agree to Rutgers, if the other one goes there as well.

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    Youth basketball in Europe isn't linked with school. Local basketball teams are linked with cities. Within a local team, there are different teams for different ages. Ages group are defined by the year players are born.
    When a player start to be too good for his age group, he is often put with older players instead of letting him dominate players of his age. For example, in 2021, Wembanyama (born in 2004) played the U19 world cup (for players born in 2002 and later).

    What matters here is however draft eligibility. The first year a player can enter in the draft is:
    - For an international player, the year he will be/turn 19.
    - For an American player, one year after leaving HS and he also must be/turn at least 19 in that year.

    Stephon Castle was born on November 1st 2004. If he were an international player, he could have entered the 2023 draft but he wasn't allowed to do so because he was an American student of the 2023 class.

    For the 2025 draft, players must be born before January 1st 2007. The two youngest players in the draft will be Essengue and Flagg who are born in December 2006.
    I think it's amazing that the tentative top player in this draft (Flagg) decided to graduate a year early and will be playing college (starting) at the age of 17 and will most likely play his first NBA game still at 18. I wonder how often that has happened since they stopped taking American players out of high school?

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    I'll be up close and personal watching prospects at the Maui Invitational. Besides McNeely at UConn and Powell at NC - are there any prospects to keep my eyes on at Auburn, Colorado, Iowa St, Memphis, Mich State, NC, UConn, or Dayton?

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    LOL who likes to party?


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    LOL who likes to party?

    I'd trade them both for Cooper

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    Can't say I'd be disappointed with this outcome though which I got on my roll at tankathon


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    I'd trade them both for Cooper
    I wouldn't, tbh (if I had to choose right now). Bailey and Harper fills two huge needs (PG and SF). We can upgrade PF in other ways. And I'm not yet convinced that The Great White Hope is the best player in this draft anyway.

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    I wouldn't, tbh (if I had to choose right now). Bailey and Harper fills two huge needs (PG and SF). We can upgrade PF in other ways. And I'm not yet convinced that The Great White Hope is the best player in this draft anyway.
    I'd be absolutely floored if Flagg isn't the #1 pick. He'd have to tear an achilles or rape a couple of boy scouts. I don't give a about position when you have a talent like Flagg available, though the Spurs desperately need a PF anyways. It's ok, Brookyln wouldn't trade him for Bailey + Harper anyways.

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    Just the thought of how ridiculous a defense the Spurs would have with Wemby, Flagg, and Castle starting is nuts.

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    I'd be absolutely floored if Flagg isn't the #1 pick. He'd have to tear an achilles or rape a couple of boy scouts. I don't give a about position when you have a talent like Flagg available, though the Spurs desperately need a PF anyways. It's ok, Brookyln wouldn't trade him for Bailey + Harper anyways.
    Just the thought of how ridiculous a defense the Spurs would have with Wemby, Flagg, and Castle starting is nuts.
    We'll see when he actually starts playing games. I don't want to overemphasize some workouts against Team USA, but if that turns out to be real, then maybe I agree. But right now "a talent like Flagg" is still very speculative.

    And, he can't shoot, apparently.

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    We'll see when he actually starts playing games. I don't want to overemphasize some workouts against Team USA, but if that turns out to be real, then maybe I agree. But right now "a talent like Flagg" is still very speculative.

    And, he can't shoot, apparently.
    He can't shoot might have been the scouting report a couple of years ago, but don't think it is now.

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    I think it's amazing that the tentative top player in this draft (Flagg) decided to graduate a year early and will be playing college (starting) at the age of 17 and will most likely play his first NBA game still at 18. I wonder how often that has happened since they stopped taking American players out of high school?
    Emoni Bates was maybe the youngest player to reclassify. He is born on January 28 2004 and reclassify to the 2021 class. In fact he was so young that he wasn't draft eligible after his freshman college year and was forced to wait one more year.
    A player like Anthony Edwards also reclassify and was drafted at a very young age.
    But yeah, because Flagg is born only 10 days before the youngest a player can be drafted , he may become the youngest NBA player of these past 20 years.

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    I'll be up close and personal watching prospects at the Maui Invitational. Besides McNeely at UConn and Powell at NC - are there any prospects to keep my eyes on at Auburn, Colorado, Iowa St, Memphis, Mich State, NC, UConn, or Dayton?
    In a scenario where Castle and Sochan turn to be both good enough to be NBA starters, Spurs will desperately need to add some shooting to their team. A player with McNeely's profile would be what Spurs would need.

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    last year Rutgers recruited Jamichaels Davis, who like Ace is from Chattanooga,TN and they are best friends. that built the connection to Ace.
    (maybe this was the big plan, when they recruited Davis)
    the connection of Harper and his older brother has been mentioned. their mother Maria (former Div I player and now highschool coach, she was the one to coach her sons) seems to play a big role in this, starting with the case that Rutgers was one of few programs to offer Ron Harper and they really courted him. Maria seems to have built a good connection to Steve Pikiell over that four years. Maria and young Dylan went to most games of his brother, he Dylan was already feeling like part of the team.
    so both had their connections to rutgers and finally Ace and Dylan, who of course know each other for some time, started doing calls that they would agree to Rutgers, if the other one goes there as well.
    Interesting.

    I now think this is all rather clever. Go to a meh program, get 2 studs and build a bunch of buzz, and rake in a ton of NIL $$ from a grateful fan base.

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    Ron. Cleveland and Chicago. Talented, smart, and had that dog in him.
    He was also a Clipper and a Laker.

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    Wasn't Ron Harper Sr. a high flyer/scorer with the Cavs and Clippers and then went to the Bulls and reinvented himself as a super stable role player. Can't remember if he had a major knee injury between.

    I feel this guy doesn't get enough credit. He was very solid for the Bulls and I think may have been a great stabilizing player (playing defense, handling the ball as a big PG, a little bit of mid-range scoring) for the Lakers during their first Shaq/Kobe championship. I'm sure Phil Jackson brought him in for that purpose. 5 Championships going from a high scorer to a team player. He deserves more credit that he gets IMO. I hardly ever hear his name mentioned.

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    He was also part of the second CHI three peat.
    I thought Harper really got unfairly ignored in that Last Dance do entary. The luxury of having him start as a 6'6" PG beside Jordan and Pippen gave them a huge back court, and I think is an overlooked part of their success.

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    Wasn't Ron Harper Sr. a high flyer/scorer with the Cavs and Clippers and then went to the Bulls and reinvented himself as a super stable role player. Can't remember if he had a major knee injury between.

    I feel this guy doesn't get enough credit. He was very solid for the Bulls and I think may have been a great stabilizing player (playing defense, handling the ball as a big PG, a little bit of mid-range scoring) for the Lakers during their first Shaq/Kobe championship. I'm sure Phil Jackson brought him in for that purpose. 5 Championships going from a high scorer to a team player. He deserves more credit that he gets IMO. I hardly ever hear his name mentioned.
    All of this is accurate.

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    27pts for Nolan Traoré in the basketball champions league against a Greek team.

    9/18 (4/10 at three), 5 assists, 2 steals, 0 to, +/-25.

    18 shots attempted, he attempts as many shots as he has years. And he scores as many minutes as he spends on the floor. OK player.

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    Will be weird to look at ATL (ok we know that from the TOR pick) and the Clippers (if somehow OKC gets a top pick, that could really cost us) so much.

    While simulating at Tankathon, I really liked outcomes with 5 east teams on top. Even though getting a top4 for the Spurs would be great...it might not be great if it was...say, #1 LAC->OKC, #2 HOU, #3 UTA, #4 SA.

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    Man, we need some big time luck this season. Need ATL to just implode and a huge bounce back from Lavine and CHI making a run at 8th seed. Let’s dream big.

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    I've completely written off the Chicago pick at this point (for this year)... but maybe view the Hornets as a potential dark horse for the play-in. I think we'll see another big step for Brandon Miller this year. Probably not enough for that pick to convey, but enough to make it interesting. I really wish they'd taken Clingan over Tiddy

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    I've completely written off the Chicago pick at this point (for this year)... but maybe view the Hornets as a potential dark horse for the play-in. I think we'll see another big step for Brandon Miller this year. Probably not enough for that pick to convey, but enough to make it interesting. I really wish they'd taken Clingan over Tiddy
    I think Clingan would have been a better pick as well, especially in light of Mark Williams only playing 62 out of a possible 164 games his first two years. He’s currently laid up with a foot tendon issue.

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