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    I agree. What’s the point of scratching and clawing to barely make the playoffs, get broomed by Boston in the first round, then hand your pick to San Antonio, missing out on the greatest draft in 22 years? There’s no logic or reason to it.
    It's the Hornets. That's all the logic we need.

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    It's the Hornets. That's all the logic we need.
    Under MJ? Sure, but he’s been gone an entire season.

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    I agree. What’s the point of scratching and clawing to barely make the playoffs, get broomed by Boston in the first round, then hand your pick to San Antonio, missing out on the greatest draft in 22 years? There’s no logic or reason to it.
    Pride.

    That and the fact that several East teams will be blatantly tanking, making it possible for the Hornets to maybe sneak into the 10 spot and be two games from the playoffs.

    An outside shot but possible imo.

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    Pride.

    That and the fact that several East teams will be blatantly tanking, making it possible for the Hornets to maybe sneak into the 10 spot and be two games from the playoffs.

    An outside shot but possible imo.
    That’s a terrible reason to push yourself backwards in a draft that is thought to contain 7 likely All Stars and 3 All NBA/HOF candidates.

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    Chicago looked pretty decent I think there is a good chance we get the pick in the next draft.

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    Chicago looked pretty decent I think there is a good chance we get the pick in the next draft.
    Hopefully in 26 being we only have a swap that year

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    People are sleeping on Charlotte. Most of those guys can’t afford to lose. If the core of Melo, Bridges and Miller stay healthy they are going to be mildly compe ive most nights. Could easily push for a play-in and then it is anyones game.

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    They could, but again, why? Scrape into the playoffs, get broomed by Boston, and hand your pick to SA. Makes no sense, especially with a draft like this.

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    More likely they start strongish and then all their core players will start getting boo boos here and there after all star. Same with Bulls tbh.

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    They could, but again, why? Scrape into the playoffs, get broomed by Boston, and hand your pick to SA. Makes no sense, especially with a draft like this.
    I completely understand your point and reasoning but not all organizations operate with similar mentalities. How many years did it take PATFO to finally throw in the towel and tank? Charlotte has enough talent to push for the play-in and there is a chance they might is all I’m arguing.

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    As we discussed already a couple months back, there are a lot of bad teams in the East. Some will simply have to make the play-in and then who knows.

    Celtics, Knicks, Bucks, Pacers, Heat, Cavs, Sixers, Magic are playoff teams. We'll see who gets into top6, but none of those teams will drop below 10th seed barring a catastrophic series of injuries.
    Nets and Wizards bottomed out, I can't see them winning more than 20 games.
    Bulls, Pistons, Raptors have some quality, but will surely try to get into top5 odds.

    Hawks and Hornets are easily better than those bottom 5 teams, but also clearly worse than those 8 playoff teams.
    Hawks will surely make the play-in because they have no incentive to tank and I can't see Hornets dropping to 11th seed or lower unless already mentioned injuries happen or Pistons finally start playing actual basketball.
    If Hornets make the play-in, who knows. Maybe they face a injury-riddled playoff team or Lamelo goes off.
    Hornets-Hawks 9th/10th play-in matchup with Hornets winning would be ideal for us.

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    With so many eastern teams tanking, I think it's going to be tough to bottom out by changing streams midway through the season. So, if Charlotte gets out to anything resembling a decent start, they aren't going to be able to rack up enough L's to move their way out of the play-in. The bottom of the East is going to be a steaming pile of crap racing each other to the bottom.

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    I completely understand your point and reasoning but not all organizations operate with similar mentalities. How many years did it take PATFO to finally throw in the towel and tank? Charlotte has enough talent to push for the play-in and there is a chance they might is all I’m arguing.
    Oh,I totally agree that they could. As for throwing in the towel, they did it in 2023-2023 when we first got the pick in the Dejounte trade. They only have this coming season left to protect it, coupled with a really good draft.

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    With so many eastern teams tanking, I think it's going to be tough to bottom out by changing streams midway through the season. So, if Charlotte gets out to anything resembling a decent start, they aren't going to be able to rack up enough L's to move their way out of the play-in. The bottom of the East is going to be a steaming pile of crap racing each other to the bottom.
    Agreed. Some absolute crap team is going to make the actual Eastern playoffs.

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    They could, but the question is, WILL THEY? What does making the playoffs once do to compare to being in the tank for the biggest gold rush draft since 2003? They’ve shown the inclination to tank when there’s a payoff, and there certainly is this year.
    I think it has more to do with that coaching staff being brought in their to win and NOT to tank. They have another top 10 pick type of season some people on that staff and in that front office are going to be out of a job.

    How much pressure there are on coaches to win is probably the biggest driving factor in winning. It's why the Spurs have been so bad the last few years, because their is absolutely no pressure on Pop to win or even compete for anything. And the only way it ever will be is if Victor says either we start winning or I'm giving you a list of teams I want to be traded to.

    Not saying the Hornets won't be bad, there season begins and ends with Lamelo...but it will take him being out for a long time for them to outright start tanking.

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    Ideal scenario is the Charlotte pick conveying this year and the Bulls pick conveying next year. As it stands now, we have no extra FRPs in 2026, just the potential ATL swap.

    Having 4 first rounders this year and then only 1 next year seems pretty bad.

    Heck, even if we get 3 first rounders in 2025, it may make sense to trade one of them away for a future pick, out to 2028 or somethin. If we get 4 first rounders... not even sure what to do withem

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    I think it has more to do with that coaching staff being brought in their to win and NOT to tank. They have another top 10 pick type of season some people on that staff and in that front office are going to be out of a job.

    How much pressure there are on coaches to win is probably the biggest driving factor in winning. It's why the Spurs have been so bad the last few years, because their is absolutely no pressure on Pop to win or even compete for anything. And the only way it ever will be is if Victor says either we start winning or I'm giving you a list of teams I want to be traded to.

    Not saying the Hornets won't be bad, there season begins and ends with Lamelo...but it will take him being out for a long time for them to outright start tanking.
    Those are the people who go to ownership and lay out the options. If CHA tanks, no one’s job will be on the line. It’s never done without ownership’s blessing, including here. Pop doesn’t just unilaterally make that decision. There would be a meeting with Peter Holt, RC, Pop, and Wright.

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    Those are the people who go to ownership and lay out the options. If CHA tanks, no one’s job will be on the line. It’s never done without ownership’s blessing, including here. Pop doesn’t just unilaterally make that decision. There would be a meeting with MYSELF, Peter Holt, RC, Pop, and Wright.
    Fixed.

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    Could see them as high as 8th and as low as 10th, maybe 11th if they have health problems such that Toronto can overtake them.

    Better:
    1. BOS
    2. PHI
    3. NYK
    4. CLE
    5. MIL
    6. ORL
    7. IND

    Toss-Up:
    8. ATL?
    9. MIA?
    10. CHA?

    Worse:
    11. TOR
    12. CHI
    13. WAS
    14. BKN
    15. DET

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    Richards is a reasonable reserve big but he's not swinging the pendulum. still, with Mark Williams' injury history and concerns, not sure CHA would really want to part with him. also dno what player would head back in a hypothetical deal. jaxson hayes going back the other way?


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    Richards is a reasonable reserve big but he's not swinging the pendulum. still, with Mark Williams' injury history and concerns, not sure CHA would really want to part with him. also dno what player would head back in a hypothetical deal. jaxson hayes going back the other way?

    Is this where the Lakers publicly go shopping but they ain't got no money?

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    Is this where the Lakers publicly go shopping but they ain't got no money?
    No, this is where the media invents, then pushes a trade to benefit the Lakers.

    Like someone mentioned,it wouldn’t be wise for Charlotte to trade a competent backup with Mark Williams injury history.

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    Is this where the Lakers publicly go shopping but they ain't got no money?
    No, this is where the media invents, then pushes a trade to benefit the Lakers.

    Like someone mentioned,it wouldn’t be wise for Charlotte to trade a competent backup with Mark Williams injury history.
    no, this is when for some reason, some people here preventively cope over a hypothetical lakers trade for a low impact player

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    no, this is when for some reason, some people here preventively cope over a hypothetical lakers trade for a low impact player
    With what assets?

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    With what assets?
    for one thing, nick richards is a backup C making 5 mil per year. i dont think it would take significant assets like a FRP to acquire him. they could slap a couple of SRPs alongside matching salary like jaxson hayes/reddish and give the hornets enough cash to waive one. they dont need to move the earth and heavens to land nick richards

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