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Tim and Kawhi were the top 2.
Parker was terrible that year, tbh. Manu you could argue was as good as Danny. Danny had a strong season that year, IIRC.
So, he was better than two of: Tim,Tony,Manu, Kawhi?
Tim and Kawhi were the top 2.
Parker was terrible that year, tbh. Manu you could argue was as good as Danny. Danny had a strong season that year, IIRC.
Danny Green is a top 15-25 Spur of all time. Crazy he was a throw-in, in the KL trade.
There are a number of stats that say he was third behind Tim and Kawhi that season, yes. Tony and Manu were not themselves that year, and Danny helped carry the team on multiple occasions.
It is. It speaks horribly to Pop that he let Green (and to a lesser extent, Anderson) go thinking guys like Belinelli, Forbes, Cun and Pon could replace him. The last few years of suffering through either butter-shots or No-D shooters has basically been him chasing a replacement for Green.
I think i was a bigger Green fan than most (see below for my bona fides) but you were definitely president and chairman of the fan club.
Though i will miss the hilarity of you and ElNono debating his overzealous closeouts
Looked back at some of the Green threads I started. The first one here was frankly hilarious. Second one shows how much of a Danny slurper i was. Last one was amid one of the worst shooting slumps of his career when everybody here was calling for benching D-League Danny
I know. Man was either hot or cold, there was no in between!
lol hilarious, thanks
Nah Bowen was leading the league at 44% shooting 3 at one point and guarding from Nash to Dirk and Kobe in between.
Bowen was a low-volume shooter, though. Not really comparable to Danny Green in that category.
Not just low volume but much less dynamic and even more erratic. We also have talked a bunch about how Bruce and defenders in the early and mid 2000s were held to a much lower defensive standard than they would've been held to a decade later. His defense on Nash, Kobe and Dirk would've been seen as disappointments in the Medium Three era. Those teams could actually tank a star's production rather than give up the same numbers and efficiency while intangibly "make them work for it".
Bowen was the prototype while Green is the archetype. Bruce was perfect for his era, but it's extremely unclear if he could've survived into the next paradigm. That he was still a bad free-throw shooter calls into question if he could've diversified his range. If not, he'd be much closer to PJ Tucker than Danny Green. That's still a quality player, but it's one with a clear cap. Nowadays, the value of one-on-one defenders is even less and shooters have be even more aggressive. I think the difference between them would be even more stark today than in 2014
13'??
It'd have been TP, the votes were aleady done, the NBA sent the question once Spurs had 7pts lead according to diff journalists
at whoever thinks Green was top3 ...
The guy needed to be assisted to exist, very good role player but nowhere near what the Big 3 and Nephew were bringing
Green had incredibly quick reflexes. I believe he was the only person to block a curry 3 the year curry won the unanimous MVP.
Bowen was also an 8 time All D selection, 7 times with SA, 5 times first team. Danny got one nod.
By the same voters who couldn't figure out Duncan was the best defender on the Spurs and who kept putting Kobe on the teams. Back then, perimeter defense was graded on aesthetics, and the standard was "making your man work for his points" and "getting into his head". The M3 Spurs were not a chippy bunch at all. They didn't generate any ill will in their opponents. Duncan, Leonard, Splitter and Green just went out and did their business, and the opposing stars just didn't score. If Duncan were flexing on people every time he made a block, he would've won DPOY at least once, Bowen or no. Because Bruce had better aesthetics than Duncan, voters gave him a boost relative to Tim that prevented Tim from winning a DPOY despite being at worst a top-three defender of that era.
I prefer the team High Priest.
Looking back at this thread, I wonder if Pop's urgency to downplay Green in relation to Kawhi might've been influenced by Kawhi's team. This is after Finals MVP and after the Spurs informed Leonard they weren't offering an extension. If reports are to be believed, his team had already started feeling slighted by the organization. I think they would've seen any discussion over who was the better defender as offensive -- whether it was warranted or not -- and I wonder if Pop knew that and tried to head it off. It seems clear that the Spurs had to manage things behind the scenes long before it started showing publicly. The thing that sucks about it is that Green never got the recognition he deserved as one of the best defensive players on his generation. His coach contributed to that to such an extent that even some fans like Ex see Green's lack of credit as deserved rather than a travesty. Maybe Pop did it to prevent the Kawhisis from blowing up even earlier than it ended up doing, but it was bad form nonetheless.
I absolutely love both Bowen and Green but Green is a better 3&D in my book.
Bowen was a better defender but it is close between them.
Green however was a much better shooter who could put it up from anywhere around the 3pt line and could extend a few feet out and could catch and shoot on the move and did it at more than twice the volume while Bowen was mostly standing in the corner tip-toeing the line waiting for a pass.
One was an elite two way role player and the other was a more limited specialty piece.
Both were champions and forever Spurs legends imo
of course he was a better 3 and d than bowen, 3 and d wasn't a thing when bowen was a player
Duncan, not TP
Shout out Danny, awesome story.
He'll crush in this new media. , if Cap Jack's podcast can land an interview with Kamala Harris, Danny will be alright!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzTh...el=ALLTHESMOKE
Podcast space is saturated and I’m not sure Danny Green has the flair or connections to make it last. Stack and to a leaser extent Matt Barnes rolodex is deep. They are highly regarded within the NBA, NFL and hip hop communities. Danny Green is a tad more polished and reserved though could see him being a mainstay on national TV for basketball related content.
At least Bill Simmons and another one I forgot said it'd have been TP bc he was decisive in game 1 and would've been the decisive factor in game 6
He could've been wrong but that was said multiple times
Yeah I think you’re right. I can see him more as TV analyst type, maybe helping call games. In either case we haven’t heard the last of him
im sure some people had different opinions over who SHOULD have won it, but it already came out that Duncan was atop the ballot
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/pag...ues-miami-heat
parker hit the huge shot in game 1 and frankly hit the 2 biggest shots down the stretch in game 6 that put us back ahead late. but over the course of the series, he was underwhelming given he was an mvp candidate during the season. he averaged less than 16ppg while shooting less than 42% from the field. duncan averaged 19/12 on 49% shooting and was the defensive anchor. he also had a great game 6 as well, putting up 30/17And I always wondered whose name showed up on the most ballots that Frank counted, who would have been the Finals Most Valuable Player if Allen had missed that shot and the ropes had been lifted and Bill Russell had handed over the trophy that bears his name.
I finally learned the answer this week.
It would have been Tim Duncan.
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