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    lol sucking hopium from a Harris campaign spokesman

    ABC: 4 point drop on margin with likely voters

    NBC: Trump leads a national poll. 8 point gain for Trump in full-field polling. Harris’ favorables collapse. Looks like she’s just a midterm quality candidate. Not ready for prime time.

    NYT: what the. No, shows a clear drop for Harris from Biden 2020.

    CBS: small sample size but still a drop from Biden’s 2020 actuals per Pew. Overall poll has dream crosstabs for Trump as Harris once again needs to prove she can bring out young voters. Little sign of that so far.

    Ian Sams: total copezempic dealer for gullible libs.

    TSA just a social media bot now.

    Q broke you.

    Why do you fold whenever I ask you why you want Trump back?

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    Try again. This time, without cherry picking. Donald Trump is the only president who has NEVER EARNED MAJORITY JOB APPROVAL. He finished with 34% approval. He has NEVER WON 47% of the national popular vote. He's well-known by now. The insurrection and Roe and the 34 felony convictions and The
    indictments for the other crimes he committed didn't help him. Crime and violent crime was up under Donald Trump and down under the Biden Harris administration FBI data shows. Donald Trump became the BORDER CZAR on January 25th. Using harmonized numbers so that we compare apples to apples since different demand in different countries drives inflation, inflation has been lower here than in most other similarly situated G7 nations. The rate of inflation here started falling in June of 2022. It's been falling consistently since then. It's at 2.4% while wages have grown by 4% over the last 12 months. The GDP grew by 3.1% last year better than any year under Donald Trump and by 3.0% last quarter. There have been 15 million jobs created under the Biden Harris administration. Under Donald Trump in 2020, 10 million jobs were lost. Under Donald Trump, there was a NET LOSS OF FOUR MILLION JOBS OVER HIS TERM. The unemployment rate is now 4.1%. The unemployment rate was 6.3% when Donald Trump left office.

    Barack Obama turned the economy around. Let's review: George W Bush INHERITED three consecutive budget surpluses and an unemployment rate of 4.2%. Under George W Bush, in the last three months of his second term, the GDP shrank by 9.4% and we lost approximately two million jobs. The unemployment rate was 7.8% and climbing when George W Bush left office. Economics is not magic. Just being sworn in, doesn't change the economy. George W Bush's economic policy of accelerating financial deregulation continued to push the economy down in the first year of President Obama's first term. Under President Obama we experienced the longest continuous period of peacetime private sector job growth that this country has ever known 75 consecutive months of job growth. The unemployment rate was cut from 10.6% to 4.7%. That's the good economy that Donald Trump INHERITED. You don't get credit for what you INHERIT.
    You remember the Obama economy. When we found out what value Donald Trump brought to the table when a crisis came, we saw the answer was nothing. Ten million jobs lost. He MINIMIZED COVID. He didn't promote the safety measures recommended by the CDC. President Biden and Vice President Harris told the American people the truth that COVID was a serious threat to their lives and they did promote the safety measures recommended by the CDC including wearing a good mask properly and getting vaccinated. Donald Trump spoke negatively and against wearing a mask far more often than he spoke positively about it. He said that he was not going to wear a mask because the CDC was only recommending it. He did not promote getting vaccinated. The difference in messages from the leaders of the two different major political parties is reflected in the difference in behaviors of members of the two different major parties. By December of 2021 when the vaccines had been available for almost a year, only 61% of Republicans had been vaccinated but 91% of Democrats had been vaccinated. COVID is a respiratory illness. We understand how respiratory illnesses spread very well. The person who has COVID breathes out the virus particles and another person who didn't have it breathes in the virus particles. Wearing a good mask properly prevents both of these events, albeit imperfectly. If you were vaccinated and then you caught COVID afterwards, then your odds of dying from COVID are 53 times less than if you caught COVID but were not vaccinated. Those are the numbers. The numbers are what the numbers are. So, by minimizing COVID, he took away an incentive for doing something that could save their lives. Well, only 1% will die. Several problems with that. One, COVID mutates and becomes much more infectious. Two, time doesn't stand still. The people who caught it and most of the people who caught it and died spread it to somebody else. So, it's going to keep on spreading. And killing some. Three, LONG COVID is a real medical condition. Even if you survived it, it likely damaged your health. Fourth, 1% of 330 million is ... Drum Roll. 3.3 Million. Are you really willing to throw away the lives of 3.3 million people? No responsible leader would do that. Our terrible COVID results are on Donald Trump. If we had the same percentage of COVID deaths as other similarly situated nations in the G7 then we would have lost 400,000 fewer people to COVID. We make up 4% of the world's population but we make up 25% of the world's COVID DEATHS. He made the pandemic much much worse than it had to be.

    It's funny that they say 79% of Americans say that you screwed up when her approval ratings are positive and Donald Trump's are terrible. The MAGA people are ALWAYS going to say something negative and their next move is to claim that they were undecided and open to both candidates. Nobody who favors a guy who attempted a coup, was found liable for sexual assault, is under several indictments, is a bigot, and was convicted of 34 felonies is actually undecided. They're just trying to figure out some way to step over the accomplished intelligent Black woman.

    Whoever said 79% of the country says that you f***** up is too dumb to be allowed to vote. People believe the country is going in the wrong direction because of Roe being overturned, because of the division and bigotry that Donald Trump embodies and encourages. I'm embarrassed for the idiot who is either so stupid that they actually believe what they wrote or is so dishonest that they don't mind lying. MAGA is going to MAGA. If you still support Donald Trump after he incited an armed insurrection, then you are one lost soul. If you don't understand how Donald Trump's division and bigotry causes people to believe that the country is going in the wrong direction, then you're an absolute bottom of the barrel moron. Like your leader.

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    This gotta be an inside job


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    TSA just a social media bot now.

    Q broke you.

    Why do you fold whenever I ask you why you want Trump back?
    You accuse me of being a social media bot while reposting a Harris campaign spokesman's spin on bad polls for Harris
    Ian Sams

    I broke you.

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    The great thing about the internets is that even the biggest derp can declare victory and make himself a trophy that nobody can take away.

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    You accuse me of being a social media bot while reposting a Harris campaign spokesman's spin on bad polls for Harris
    Ian Sams

    I broke you.
    TSA folds.

    Why are you so afraid?

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    TSA folds.

    Why are you so afraid?
    lol afraid. I don't play your games and allow you to change the subject.

    You posted a tweet from a Harris campaign spokesman trying to spin her bad polling and got taken to the wood shed.

    Were you aware your tweet was from a Harris campaign spokesman? Were you aware it was simply spin on her bad polling?

    You going to stay on subject and answer the questions or are you going to try and change the subject again and then declare victory again when you are ignored?

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    lol afraid. I don't play your games and allow you to change the subject.

    You posted a tweet from a Harris campaign spokesman trying to spin her bad polling and got taken to the wood shed.

    Were you aware your tweet was from a Harris campaign spokesman? Were you aware it was simply spin on her bad polling?

    You going to stay on subject and answer the questions or are you going to try and change the subject again and then declare victory again when you are ignored?
    My opinion on polls stays the same. I already said in the other thread that Trump will win. I posted the tweet for the level of total black support that hasn't changed according to that one poll. That's the only thing I saw. If that one thing is wrong in that one poll, prove it with numbers from that poll.

    Or fold again.

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    you get so angry when asked why you support Trump

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    My opinion on polls stays the same. I already said in the other thread that Trump will win. I posted the tweet for the level of total black support that hasn't changed according to that one poll. That's the only thing I saw. If that one thing is wrong in that one poll, prove it with numbers from that poll.

    Or fold again.
    You posted that in response to this tweet. Now that you've explained why you posted it you look even stupider



    Enten was looking at the 40 point shift from the average of post-election surveys from 2012-2020, and pre-election 2024 and pointed out the 40 point shift in margin. To rebut that you post a single poll from the Harris campaign spokesman that compares only Biden to Harris.

    I don't need to prove that one poll is wrong because it was never about Biden to Harris margins and that one poll doesn't address to 40pt shift in black men from 1960.

    You're just a social media bot reposting Harris campaign spokesman's tweets.

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    "you folded"
    "you're afraid"
    "you're angry"

    projection tailspin

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    You posted that in response to this tweet. Now that you've explained why you posted it you look even stupider



    Enten was looking at the 40 point shift from the average of post-election surveys from 2012-2020, and pre-election 2024 and pointed out the 40 point shift in margin. To rebut that you post a single poll from the Harris campaign spokesman that compares only Biden to Harris.
    That's all I had to do. You were going on and on about how Harris was losing black voters with mostly anecdotes from tweets. Harris' support from blacks in 2024 isn't significantly different from that of Biden in 2020 according to that one poll.

    That's it.

    That's all.

    How many more days do you want to talk about that one part of one poll that happened to be in a tweet from...someone I've never heard of?

    BTW, your cosplay as forum cop is adorable!
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    "you folded"
    "you're afraid"
    "you're angry"

    projection tailspin
    Look, all I can go by is what you post.

    You refuse to say one word about Trump anymore since he proved to not be the 17-D super-genius pedo avenger you said he was for years.

    I ask about Trump and you put on your forum cop uniform and revert to your "answermeanswermeanswerme" gambit.

    I post one tweet that has one poll data point that perfectly rebuts your agenda du jour and you fly into another "answermeanswermeanswerme" fit about things that have nothing at all to do with that one data point.

    Your admit your whole existence here now is to get back at people like me who mocked you for swallowing every right wing conspiracy you were fed by social media this past decade. If you have to look at every tweet about every crosstab in every poll, by god you're going to do it!

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    That's all I had to do. You were going on and on about how Harris was losing black voters with mostly anecdotes from tweets. Harris' support from blacks in 2024 isn't significantly different from that of Biden in 2020 according to that one poll.

    That's it.

    That's all.
    That one poll does nothing to rebut Trump being the strongest Republican with black voters since 1960.

    How many more days do you want to talk about that one part of one poll that happened to be in a tweet from...someone I've never heard of?

    BTW, your cosplay as forum cop is adorable!
    Hold up...you didn't even know Ian Sams was a Harris campaign spokesperson? So you're just blinding reposting spin from her campaign staff? You really are just a social media bot

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    That one poll does nothing to rebut Trump being the strongest Republican with black voters since 1960.
    That was not your only argument. Why do you feel the need to lie about what you've been posting?


    Hold up...you didn't even know Ian Sams was a Harris campaign spokesperson? So you're just blinding reposting spin from her campaign staff? You really are just a social media bot
    Hold up...I posted a tweet that had the one data point from one poll I highlighted.

    It doesn't matter who made the tweet.

    It does nothing to change the one data point from the one poll.

    The poll exists.

    Do you understand this?

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    Look, all I can go by is what you post.

    You refuse to say one word about Trump anymore since he proved to not be the 17-D super-genius pedo avenger you said he was for years.

    I ask about Trump and you put on your forum cop uniform and revert to your "answermeanswermeanswerme" gambit.

    I post one tweet that has one poll data point that perfectly rebuts your agenda du jour and you fly into another "answermeanswermeanswerme" fit about things that have nothing at all to do with that one data point.

    Your admit your whole existence here now is to get back at people like me who mocked you for swallowing every right wing conspiracy you were fed by social media this past decade. If you have to look at every tweet about every crosstab in every poll, by god you're going to do it!
    I talk about Trump all the time. I ignore your questions about Trump when they are clearly asked to try and change the subject after you get your pushed in. You hate when I don't take your bait and it sends you into a tailspin. You're easy to deal with and I enjoy seeing you get all flustered...like you are now.

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    I talk about Trump all the time. I ignore your questions about Trump when they are clearly asked to try and change the subject after you get your pushed in. You hate when I don't take your bait and it sends you into a tailspin. You're easy to deal with and I enjoy seeing you get all flustered...like you are now.
    clear projection

    You don't talk about Trump himself at all. You only talk about us and how you think you can make us angry. It's hilarious.

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    That was not your only argument. Why do you feel the need to lie about what you've been posting?
    Ok...what else are you claiming I was arguing?


    Hold up...I posted a tweet that had the one data point from one poll I highlighted.

    It doesn't matter who made the tweet.

    It does nothing to change the one data point from the one poll.

    The poll exists.

    Do you understand this?
    Link the poll.

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    Ok...what else are you claiming I was arguing?
    That Harris was losing black voters. You posted several tweets with several anecdotes.

    Link the poll.
    There's no reason for me to do that. If you need to check the crosstabs, that's up to you.

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    clear projection

    You don't talk about Trump himself at all. You only talk about us and how you think you can make us angry. It's hilarious.
    Yup...you're flustered and flailing now. Why do you feel the need to lie about what I've been posting? It's pathetic.

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    Yup...you're flustered and flailing now. Why do you feel the need to lie about what I've been posting?
    I didn't.

    Let me know where you post about Trump himself so you can police the conversation there.

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    Me: Trump is going to win in 2024.

    TSA: Do you know who wrote this tweet saying Harris is doing about the same with blacks as Biden did in 2020? ANSWERMEANSWERMEANSWERME!

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    ing the football on October 16th smacks of insecurity

    I think they are blowing their wad too early. I expected a Trump surge. In 2016 it happened a week before the election. This time they left too much time on the clock

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    That Harris was losing black voters. You posted several tweets with several anecdotes.
    No . If Trump is doing better with black voters since 1960 than of course Harris is losing black voters. The several tweets I posted were comparing Harris to past Democrats.

    There's no reason for me to do that. If you need to check the crosstabs, that's up to you.
    Of course there is a reason to do that. See below.

    I posted the tweet for the level of total black support that hasn't changed according to that one poll. That's the only thing I saw. If that one thing is wrong in that one poll, prove it with numbers from that poll.
    I want to look at the numbers, link the poll.

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    Me: Trump is going to win in 2024.

    TSA: Do you know who wrote this tweet saying Harris is doing about the same with blacks as Biden did in 2020? ANSWERMEANSWERMEANSWERME!
    Answer me, answer me, answer me!!!!!

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