Victor Wembanyama - load management and physical development

[polandprzem]

So right about what? The lanky as , 7feet, 19-20yo athlete putting on some weight throughout his first NBA season and off-season?

Two personalities ? Some psycho illness?

[Ice009]

I don't know who is right or wrong in this situation. I am guessing Victor and his team think that adding too much weight might affect his flexibility and maybe slow him down. I can't say that I disagree. Maybe it is the right approach, I'm not sure. I honestly don't know what is right on wrong in this situation. Guys like Kareem seem to have had a long career by not adding too much bulk. Not sure how much Kareem weighed as a rookie and then later on in his career.
I'm more of a guy that believes in lifting for strength and not too worried about adding mass and bulk. Having said that, I've never played against anyone of the calibre of NBA athletes to know how much of a difference added weight would make.

[Pauleta14]

I don't know who is right or wrong in this situation. I am guessing Victor and his team think that adding too much weight might affect his flexibility and maybe slow him down. I can't say that I disagree. Maybe it is the right approach, I'm not sure. I honestly don't know what is right on wrong in this situation. Guys like Kareem seem to have had a long career by not adding too much bulk. Not sure how much Kareem weighed as a rookie and then later on in his career.
I'm more of a guy that believes in lifting for strength and not too worried about adding mass and bulk. Having said that, I've never played against anyone of the calibre of NBA athletes to know how much of a difference added weight would make.

He's more concerned about the potential injuries that often come with a sudden gain of weight than the impact on his game per say

[Ice009]

He's more concerned about the potential injuries that often come with a sudden gain of weight than the impact on his game per say

Yeah right, well, that makes sense. Again, I don't know if that will help or not. I just don't know. I don't disagree what he and his team are saying, and or thinking. It's a very legitimate take on it.

Gaining too much weight too quickly could leave him susceptible to injuries, and also not gaining extra weight bulk might too. Freaking tough to answer, but due to his height, fluidity, and all that, I think I lean towards their approach could be the right way to go.
If it was up to me, I think I'd just prefer he work on getting stronger without adding much weight.

As an example, I haven't followed Giannis closely these past few years, but he seems to be getting more injuries and playing less games per season than he used to. Not sure if his added bulk has anything to do with it or not, but without really following what his injuries are, he seems to be less durable these days.

[polandprzem]

Yeah right, well, that makes sense. Again, I don't know if that will help or not. I just don't know. I don't disagree what he and his team are saying, and or thinking. It's a very legitimate take on it.

Gaining too much weight too quickly could leave him susceptible to injuries, and also not gaining extra weight bulk might too. Freaking tough to answer, but due to his height, fluidity, and all that, I think I lean towards their approach could be the right way to go.
If it was up to me, I think I'd just prefer he work on getting stronger without adding much weight.

As an example, I haven't followed Giannis closely these past few years, but he seems to be getting more injuries and playing less games per season than he used to. Not sure if his added bulk has anything to do with it or not, but without really following what his injuries are, he seems to be less durable these days.

Gaining 20pds in a year for a anatomy and age like Wemby has is not something that you can say 'too much' .
He was way too weak last year and if you want to add serious strength you will add that additional weight which also helps move into positions on court you want.

But I wrote it before and there is no way around it.

[Sugus]

Two personalities ? Some psycho illness?

what the are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as , 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

[polandprzem]

what the are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as , 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

Make up your mind. One of you I mean. He had to gain weight or get slimmer?

You seem to not know which one of you posts.

[polandprzem]

what the are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as , 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

How much?
Where is it set official?

[polandprzem]

what the are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as , 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

Ohh really?

[polandprzem]

what the are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as , 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

At least on that post you do admit I was right.

[Thomas82]

How much?
Where is it set official?

He's listed at 235.

[polandprzem]

He's listed at 235.

Thank you

[Sugus]

Make up your mind. One of you I mean. He had to gain weight or get slimmer?

You seem to not know which one of you posts.

Jesus, Pol, you really are the stereotype of a meathead. Just unable to get through to. He didn't "have" to gain weight, he was gonna gain weight, because he's a twig of a 20yo big man coming into the NBA. If you can quote me saying he would lose weight , I'll readily admit to a personality disorder. Until then, the fact that you're ing dense is the much simpler explanation.

How much?
Where is it set official?

Since you'll never believe it from my mouth, here it is from the Alien himself;

However, Wemby revealed in a recent interview that he has already added more pounds since he entered the league which could solve the issue, “10 kilos? No. Maybe about four to five kilos.” And once he gains enough muscle, Wemby might have no holes left in his game.

Ohh really?

Yes, really. Not 20 pounds like you believed, more like 10 or less. And again -- without any emphasis on heavy lifting training, which you clamored for; he instead went the opposite way and found great success. Do you remember saying that, arguing in favor of that? Or has the meat taken over the brain completely in that head of yours?

At least on that post you do admit I was right.

You don't even know what the you're arguing for

I don't know why I bother. Oh wait, I do, bull must be challenged, even in today's Internet. If you need me to break it down even more, lemme know

[Sugus]

Yea well 30 pds of muscle .... okay


Tbh he should gain more strength in the gym. Those excercises they showed are okay but that abs was weak. bear crawl needs to be done better as the pushups. I think him gaining 20pds first year would be nice

You remember this, Pol, right? Or are you the one with a in' disorder here? Let me know also, beating up the disabled is terrible taste.

For a 19yro dude not lifting weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.

Or this one right here, eh? Remember it? Turns out the body can "take" a whole lot without going the meathead route! Who'd have guessed.....

[Sugus]

You said earlier "If we talk about development there is no better way to gain strength but to lift weights", and I question the notion entirely: since when is "development" akin to muscle-building, and since when is strength-gaining the apex of player development? There might not be a "better way" to get strong than weightlifting, but the whole point of the discussion is that it might not be in Wemby's best long-term interest to bulk up and gain weight* in significant measure.

As lanky as his body may seem, make no mistake, he's quite strong. And I love the exercise routine his entourage has got him on, it's great for his body - and you don't see him lifting weights at all, despite spending literal hours each day working on his body. Just excellent, medicinally advanced programs.

Here's my "other personality" being right as , no hindsight required, applauding Wemby's training regime which has already shown excellent results and turned him into a top-15 NBA player.

Here was your Meathed Optics on the topic, in case you forgot it as well;

If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by his second season is a must imo. And not much more.

You thought he should've sacked his trainer, and would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain NBA level strength

Newsflash: he gained half the weight you suggested... And was going toe-to-toe with Team USA for an Olympic gold medal. NBA strength

[KenziE]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

[onechance87]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

He probably would of played more if we didnt get blown out.It also seemed wemby was not ready to start

[Ice009]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

Well, this is my philosophy. I don't remember LaMarcus saying that, but if so, I think he was right. Pop's been caught up in this load management bull for too long. I'm from the Tim Grover school (maybe not as full on as TG) where he said something similar - How can you expect to be able to perform at a high level in the playoffs when you never learned to play with fatigue and learn to play through it.

Also, Victor is looking weak out there. Everyone is ripping the ball from him. I don't know if he's even strong enough physically to throw lobs to. A few times down low, he should have finished strong, but got the ball taken away from him. He's gotta at least add more strength and go for the 5% number if it's between 1-5% max increase in weight he wants between seasons, he needs to aim for the 5% every time. 1% ain't going to do much (it's not like he's starting of physically superior to everyone else out there where adding 1% muscle weight is going to put him above anyone).

[Raven]

didn't look like cp3 was an improvement for him over sochan

[Ice009]

He probably would of played more if we didnt get blown out.It also seemed wemby was not ready to start

Yeah, well, the coach not playing players in the preseason doesn't help get them ready. I really think Pop might need someone to talk to him and ask him what he is doing managing minutes of young players. He's acting like these guys are the older versions of Tim Duncan and Manu out there, that they need rest. Problem is, these guys don't have the skill or experience to do that yet, and their game isn't anywhere near those levels to be resting them where they can just come in a rely on their experience they've gained over the years after sitting out games/playing less minutes. It's like he's trying to turn them into never has beens before they even get started (I'm just talking in general, not about tonight's game specifically).

[KenziE]

Well, this is my philosophy. I don't remember LaMarcus saying that, but if so, I think he was right. Pop's been caught up in this load management bull for too long. I'm from the Tim Grover school (maybe not as full on as TG) where he said something similar - How can you expect to be able to perform at a high level in the playoffs when you never learned to play with fatigue and learn to play through it.

Also, Victor is looking weak out there. Everyone is ripping the ball from him. I don't know if he's even strong enough physically to throw lobs to. A few times down low, he should have finished strong, but got the ball taken away from him. He's gotta at least add more strength and go for the 5% number if it's between 1-5% max increase in weight he wants between seasons, he needs to aim for the 5% every time. 1% ain't going to do much (it's not like he's starting of physically superior to everyone else out there where adding 1% muscle weight is going to put him above anyone).

Check out all the smoke interview i dont have the exact time stamp but he said that basically they had the manpower and talent but they were not ready when it mattered they was not prepared for the intense playoff minutes because during the regular season they got used with 20-35mins tops a game .

[KenziE]

Yeah, well, the coach not playing players in the preseason doesn't help get them ready. I really think Pop might need someone to talk to him and ask him what he is doing managing minutes of young players. He's acting like these guys are the older versions of Tim Duncan and Manu out there, that they need rest. Problem is, these guys don't have the skill or experience to do that yet, and their game isn't anywhere near those levels to be resting them where they can just come in a rely on their experience they've gained over the years after sitting out games/playing less minutes. It's like he's trying to turn them into never has beens before they even get started (I'm just talking in general, not about tonight's game specifically).

100 percent soembody need to tell Pop the players he have is not as old as him . in the way its beeing played out gonna be hearing trade demands fron Wemby sooner than later absolute shame not playing him atleast 35mins !!!!

[Ice009]

It's not even great for older players as LaMarcus said as it doesn't help them from fatiguing in the higher intensity playoff games. Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are super skilled players that could do that. Play less minutes, sit out, and still perform. 95% of players IMO can't do that.

[KenziE]

Yeah, well, the coach not playing players in the preseason doesn't help get them ready. I really think Pop might need someone to talk to him and ask him what he is doing managing minutes of young players. He's acting like these guys are the older versions of Tim Duncan and Manu out there, that they need rest. Problem is, these guys don't have the skill or experience to do that yet, and their game isn't anywhere near those levels to be resting them where they can just come in a rely on their experience they've gained over the years after sitting out games/playing less minutes. It's like he's trying to turn them into never has beens before they even get started (I'm just talking in general, not about tonight's game specifically).

It's not even great for older players as LaMarcus said as it doesn't help them from fatiguing in the higher intensity playoff games. Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are super skilled players that could do that. Play less minutes, sit out, and still perform. 95% of players IMO can't do that.

You are right not everybody can just turn it ON whenever they need to . Some people need practice and muscle memory . Its getting old POP change your ways !!!

[Ice009]

The thing is, Pop's never played at this level before, so I hate to question him or say this, but how would he know about it if he wasn't a high level athlete himself.