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    Throw him in the fire; he’ll rise to the occasion. We have two ball handlers ( castle & Paul ) jones can not handle pressure.

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    Castle not only needs to start but he needs (because he can physically) to play +30'/game to accelerate as much as possible the process. Nothing better than PT

    Also if Cp3 and Vic aren't working on a 1-2 P&R game (which they obviously don't), better put Paul on the bench to keep Vic's playmaking alive at least. IT kept opp thinking when this season with Cp his role is reduced and he becomes easier to defend.

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    Because you're calling him out for not being super athletic? I think it's pretty clear.
    i'm just making an observation.

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    didn't think there was anything to write home about.. doesn't seem athletic, but decent player though
    His strength for a teenage rookie is elite, tbh.

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    i'm just making an observation.
    Well, OK, you're en led to your opinion. I just thought you were taking a shot at him. I don't think fully agree about him not being athletic. He's not a top tier NBA athlete, but he's also not on the bottom rung either. He was the only guy I enjoyed watching play in last night's game. And like DAF86 said, I think he's pretty strong for his age, so that is already a step in the right direction.

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    He's a rookie. Let him learn from CP3 and get minutes at different positions. If he was running point guard right now, it would be problematic. Allowing him to play multiple positions gets him on the court. He can contribute this year, but he won't be good enough to be a starting point guard on a playoff team for at least two to three years.

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    He needs to play starter minutes. There are going to be some rough patches as there are with any rookie. But they need to get him reps.

    He's got good handles. He gets into the paint. He finds the open man. He draws fouls (he got two on Lively right in front of the basket last night). He plays elite perimeter one on one defense. Once he earns a little respect from the refs, he's going to be a menace. They need to jumpstart his development. And honestly, even with the rookie mistakes he's going to make, he's still going to be one of the more impactful players on the roster.

    FREE STEPHON!!!

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    I agree about him playing a lot more minutes, but just to manage expectations, nobody in the NBA has adjusted to him yet. Once everyone gives him 10 feet of space and ignoring him at the 3 point line like some college teams did, his success on drives will be impacted

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    I agree about him playing a lot more minutes, but just to manage expectations, nobody in the NBA has adjusted to him yet. Once everyone gives him 10 feet of space and ignoring him at the 3 point line like some college teams did, his success on drives will be impacted
    He was never ineffective in college. He’s big and strong enough to get into the paint and score or create,anyway. Are you going to back yourself up all the way under the rim? That’s just going to give him a layup. At some point,you have to engage him, and then it’s on.

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    I agree about him playing a lot more minutes, but just to manage expectations, nobody in the NBA has adjusted to him yet. Once everyone gives him 10 feet of space and ignoring him at the 3 point line like some college teams did, his success on drives will be impacted
    its not like his outside shooting concerns is some secret only known within the spurs organization. the problem is giving a runway to a strong/physical driver is often a recipe for disaster. the main thing is he's going to have to deal with teams just going under every screen which makes the pnr game harder. he's not going to draw a lot of switches, nor is he going to invite drop coverage.

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    kahwi leonard's first NBA game: 14 minutes, 6 points (2 for 9-22.2% FG percentage), rebounds, 2 steals and 1 assist.

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    leonard was also coming off the bench for a team that saw itself as a contender, so the room to give a young/inexperienced player was harder to find

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    leonard was also coming off the bench for a team that saw itself as a contender, so the room to give a young/inexperienced player was harder to find
    argument can go many ways here. one could argue that leonard was also the beneficiary of being on a better team. but he played 4 less minutes and shot the ball pretty poorly. the two steals were a sign of where he was already at, defensively. really, castle seems to be the better passer early on. neither one lit up from the three point line. a better comparison would be in just looking at the tape.

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    Why on earth do people think it’s a good idea for him to play multiple positions as a rookie? It’s the dumbest thing you can do for his development and is short sighted. So many people just spout out: well Castle should be playing multiple positions for development and don’t actually put any thought into that statement.

    Point guard is hard to play. It’s probably the hardest position in the nba to learn. So playing part time point guard isn’t good for development. It’s actually bad. Bc you’re picking the hardest position to play and then divvying up your time between learning how to play point guard, and SG, and SF. How are you supposed to actually improve as a point guard by half assing it like that?

    All 3 positions are fundamentally different positions. They all require different knowledge, they all require different skill sets, they require different asks on both offense and defense and they require different mindsets. A PG mindset is to get a good shot on every possession bc every possession is valuable. A SG mindset (like Vassell for instance) is there is no bad shot. Two completely different mindsets to have.

    I want PATFO to pick a position for Castle and spend ALL of his time and effort alongside the Spurs resources to focus on this one singular task. That’s what they did with Kawhi. It’s what they did with TP. Danny Green. Splitter. All the great players and great role players on our team were made because they had ONE thing to focus on and they worked towards it. Our Lonnie’s and Sochans and even early rookie Vic never learned how to play basketball due to having too many things thrown at them at once.

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    Why on earth do people think it’s a good idea for him to play multiple positions as a rookie? It’s the dumbest thing you can do for his development and is short sighted. So many people just spout out: well Castle should be playing multiple positions for development and don’t actually put any thought into that statement.

    Point guard is hard to play. It’s probably the hardest position in the nba to learn. So playing part time point guard isn’t good for development. It’s actually bad. Bc you’re picking the hardest position to play and then divvying up your time between learning how to play point guard, and SG, and SF. How are you supposed to actually improve as a point guard by half assing it like that?

    All 3 positions are fundamentally different positions. They all require different knowledge, they all require different skill sets, they require different asks on both offense and defense and they require different mindsets. A PG mindset is to get a good shot on every possession bc every possession is valuable. A SG mindset (like Vassell for instance) is there is no bad shot. Two completely different mindsets to have.

    I want PATFO to pick a position for Castle and spend ALL of his time and effort alongside the Spurs resources to focus on this one singular task. That’s what they did with Kawhi. It’s what they did with TP. Danny Green. Splitter. All the great players and great role players on our team were made because they had ONE thing to focus on and they worked towards it. Our Lonnie’s and Sochans and even early rookie Vic never learned how to play basketball due to having too many things thrown at them at once.
    While I agree that Castle should be playing as many PG minutes as possible, SGA played together with CP3 and it worked out well.
    Bigger problem is that Tre is ahead of Castle in the rotation.

    We're not making playoffs, Tre is a finished product and a known quan y. He's on an expiring deal.
    Where exactly is the value in him being ahead of Castle?

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    While I agree that Castle should be playing as many PG minutes as possible, SGA played together with CP3 and it worked out well.
    Bigger problem is that Tre is ahead of Castle in the rotation.

    We're not making playoffs, Tre is a finished product and a known quan y. He's on an expiring deal.
    Where exactly is the value in him being ahead of Castle?
    100% agree with this. And I posted this same sentiment a different post. Jones has no future on this team. Or if he does have a future it’s with Castle as the starting PG and Jones backing Castle up. Not the other way around. Plus limiting Jones minutes ensures we can sign him for cheap. It’s both bad business by the Spurs to play Jones as our back up PG and bad development to do so.

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    Pretty solid takes and I agree at this point I am trying to find if Castle is our future at PG so he should be playing the most minutes at that position and he should be Pauls backup with minutes every game. I think this is going to happen and I think he will average around 18 minutes at that position.

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    I love how Tom Orsborn just completely dismisses the possibility of some Point Sochan minutes instead...

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    Wow. MJ only picks the cream of the crop for his personal brand. Awesome.

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    Wow. MJ only picks the cream of the crop for his personal brand. Awesome.
    Literally anyone can get a team Jordan deal. Even back in the day Derek Anderson was a team Jordan guy.

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    Literally anyone can get a team Jordan deal. Even back in the day Derek Anderson was a team Jordan guy.
    If that were literally the case, then every NBA player would have a Jordan Brand deal. Sorry, you hit one of my pet peeves, the misuse of the word literally.

    I misstated the JB signing as the coup. The real coup is getting a JB shoe, although, other than Rui Hachimura, they seem more selective in signing athletes to the brand these days.

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    If that were literally the case, then every NBA player would have a Jordan Brand deal. Sorry, you hit one of my pet peeves, the misuse of the word literally.

    I misstated the JB signing as the coup. The real coup is getting a JB shoe, although, other than Rui Hachimura, they seem more selective in signing athletes to the brand these days.
    It’s just not much of an endorsement these days. 20-25 years ago when Jordan was endorsing guys who could jump out the gym and excite crowds it was.

    Fun fact Derek Anderson is known as the originator of wearing low top J’s for games.

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    Literally anyone can get a team Jordan deal. Even back in the day Derek Anderson was a team Jordan guy.
    Well, you do remember jordan as the wizards exec? Jordan’s ability to pick talent is …. Well, suspect.

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