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Dan.
You know in your own heart that the palestinian people do not want to live peacefully with israel.
Blah, thats just posturing and political pandering. Israel has nuclear weapons and a superior conventional military force to anything the Arabs have. It's not going anywhere. So since Israel basically holds all the political and military cards in the region, it has the most to deal as far as negotiations.
You'll never be able to convince the Israelis to their right to self defense, it has served them well over the years, but they have to realize that they need to recognize Palestinian's citizens right to due process and respect Lebanese borders. For instance, cross-border incursions to soften Hezbollah should include Lebanese forces, they shouldn't be bombing the country's military forces in their barracks, and they certainly shouldn't be bombing Nazarath.
Dan.
You know in your own heart that the palestinian people do not want to live peacefully with israel.
The Palestinians are tired of war. That's why they chose a pro-US guy like Abbass. The exodus of Syrian troops however has strengthened the political power of Hezbollah, the Syrians actually back another group. The Lebanese Army is too weak to crack down on Hezbollah, much less guard its border against Israeli troops.
Worthwhile link...If Americans Knew
Give up more territories.
Um, the next terroritory Israel gives up will be the first.
If Americans knew ...
Palestianians/Hamas and Hezbollah ALSO OUGHT TO KNOW by now that they get their butts kicked every ing time they attack Israel, they end up losing more people than Israel, but still they keep attacking Israel.
There are talks of a cease fire within a few days. I dont' think Hezbollah is about to remove itself from southern Lebanon, so I don't know how this is possible. Israel is going to have to invade at some point, I don't see how they can avoid it and actually make this bombing worthwhile. If they call a ceasefire without removing Hezbollah, they've accomplished NOTHING and that will make this bombing all the worse.
At this point, they need to do whatever it takes to get rid of these ers. I don't like the path they've started on but the one way to make it way worse would be not to follow through and finish the job.
I agree Manny, to get at those crappy bottle rockets (small, mobile, easily hidden), IDF will have to put wheels and boots into Lebanon.
How can they possibly finish the job, anyways. They will just flee over the border and reorganize in Syria. Israel can't possibly afford to keep troops in Lebanon forever. The UN couldn't guard a buried safe. The majority of lebanese are blaming Israel as it is.
You can't go after hezbollah without entering syria.
The solution lies in a stronger Lebanese government and army. You know, the one Israel has been busy bombing.
They can't go into Syria without opening a whole new can of worms and they also can't destroy ideology with bullets in Lebanon.You can't go after hezbollah without entering syria.
A stronger Lebanese army? How about one at all.
There's a new joke going around, origins began in Vietnam.
"Want to buy a Lebanese army gun? It's never been shot and only dropped once".
I was saying that if all they plan to do is airstrike, then back off and do jack , then manny's argument is legit, and the closest to reality.
I said i mostly agreed with yoni. But alot of it is hope on my part that Israel isn't as stupid as Manny thinks they are.
Notice the word if, you comedic genius.
Gtown you are such a silly stupid asshole. I never said we'd feel no reprucussions and I never remember saying the problem of violent muslims was small, I never compared this to usc vs ut, and negotiations could have been decent, but now that israel is going all out, i want them to go ALL OUT.
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It's G culo, who really cares?
The only real way to end the violence along the Lebanese-Israeli border is for the government of Lebanon or United Nations forces them to remove the catalyst for violence — Hezbollah.
I think the only thing Israel has achieved for now is strenghten support for Hezbolah in Lebanon.
I havent read this thread yet but has anyone added a prophetic twist to this saga?
Who's supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon? Other than Iran and other terrorist groups, most of the World has condemned Hezbollah and their actions.
The ? They accuse Syria of arming them but they refuse to act agianst Syria yet they have no problem bombing the Lebanese back into the stone age??!!?!?!?!?Thus far, the IAF managed to intercept a number of trucks transporting rockets from Syria to Hizbullah, including trucks laden with the 220mm-diameter rockets with warheads like the one that hit the Haifa train depot Monday, claiming eight lives. Maj.-Gen. Eisenkot said he would be very surprised if official elements in Syria were unaware of these transports.
“These are rockets that belong to the Syrian army. You can’t find them in the Damascus market, and the Syrian government is responsible for this smuggling,” Eisenkot said, but stressed, “We are not operating against Syria or the Lebanese army.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...278029,00.html
Terrorist factions and most Countries are armed by others and you're suggesting that Battles should include the suppliers of arms? Good thinking Manny...
Hezbollah is firing their (Irans/Syrias) rockets from heavily populated areas in Lebanon so where else would the Israeli's strike in retailiation?
You're telling me that while Isreal is in a direct fight with a group and another group is sitting there handing them bullets for a gun they shouldn't do ? Thats pretty damn amazing.
Hezbollah isn't firing rockets from apartment buildings in downtown Beriut.
Is there anyone here who actually believes Hezbollah can be defeated from the air?
[QUOTE]Why would you suggest an escalation of the conflict? That's intelligent Manny.
Who do you think is a major supplier of Israel's armaments? How far would you suggest we take this?
China provided Iran with the C-803 fired by Hezbollah that hit the Israel warship, should they attack Iran and China too?
Link to where all the rockets are being fired from?Hezbollah isn't firing rockets from apartment buildings in downtown Beriut.
Again your suggesting an escalation of the battle while most are hoping diplomacy prevails. Why is that?Is there anyone here who actually believes Hezbollah can be defeated from the air?
If you've made me late for work you'll pay Manny
I think Israel may very well hit Syrian military installations, sooner or later.
Not only do we have Sunni vs Shiite, but also Persians/Iran vs Arabs.
After extensive bombing and s ing of the Hezbollah strongholds, S. Lebanon and S and E Beirut, I think IDF will invade Lebanon precisely becaue they know that's the only chance of really clearing out the Hezbollah. A good chance of working? I don't know.
Israel will have to move against Syria directly, a devastating surprise attack that is made to look like just another attack on Lebanon, if Israel wants this Hezbollah-bashing episode to have really increase Israel security.
I expect UN troops will be delpoyed to S Lebanon to keep Hezbollah down or out.
Why am I suggestion an escalation? Because thats the only way you're going to finish off Hezbollah. You can't even answer a direct question, Joch. I asked you straight up if you felt Hezbollah was going to be destroyed through arial bombardment and you avoided the question by asking a question of your own.
I flat out think it is amazing that you feel that Syria delivering the. rockets that Israel is trying to destroy is not worthy of a military response. You will support the attack fo a nation based on supposed weapons, but not the attack on a country who is clearly deliverying weapons used in terrorism?
The bottom line is that if Israel doesn't see this through entirely, it is all a gigantic ing waste. If one week from now we're looking at a ceasefire and you've not done a damn thing on the ground, then you may as well have done nothing but weaken the newest democracy in the region.
Sometimes I really wonder whether you, Yonivore, and Gculo ever actually try to think and develop a position based on the available information or you simply go along with what you are told. Actually, I don't wonder about Yoni doing that because it has become insanely clear that he really does just regurgiate what other people tell him he should think.
Anyhow, what is it that you think can be done dimplomaticly in the region to solves the Hezbollah problem.
You know, I hate watching Israel hit apartment buildings in Gaza to kill one ing terrorist while they kill 20 people who's only crime was to live in the wrong place. I hate watching them occupy and keep people in a ish refugee camps while destroying their infrastructe over and over and over again. I hate the double standard that allows their methods to go unquestioned while an abduction of their troops is a reason to plunge the region into war.
But here they have a chance to actually do something that shows results, and they're managing to that up to. They have the arab world PISSED as at Hezbollah, and they're ting back and bombing the Beruit airport over and over again. Well thats just dandy. I really hope they manage to do this right. Hezbollah is a cancer on Lebanon that needs to be removed, but if they don't do it right and all the way through then this whole thing will have been wasteful idiocy.
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