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    The Lebanese ambassador to Washington, Farid Abboud, was recalled to Beirut on Thursday.the recall comes following comments the ambassador made to CNN which were understood as praising Hizbullah's attack on Israel on Wednesday.

    Russia on Thursday condemned the Israeli attacks on Lebanon and in Gaza, and called for the release of Israeli hostages.

    In a strongly worded statement, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin also called for Israel to respect Lebanon's sovereignty

    Israel is imposing a sea and air blockade on Lebanon, a senior Israeli military official said Thursday.

    The official spoke after Israeli aircraft bombed Beirut's international airport. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss military tactics with reporters.

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    From Lebanon the towns of Nahariya and Mt. Meron were attacked as well as other locations throughout the north, including Rosh Pina, Tzfat, Margaliot, Machanayim, Machanayim Airport, Beit Hillel, Kfar HaNasi, and Mishmar HaYarden have been attacked and IMO Israel should hammer all Lebanon, untill all hostile agression cease to exist, and the soilders returned and if necessary make Lebanon into a parking lot.

    That fact that Arab terrorists kill civilians doesnt quite legitimize Israel do the same but it is the only thing they understand.

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    How could the peace process fail and the whole area be on the brink without the diplomatic example of the U.S.?

    47 people killed, countless injured and property destroyed, including civilian infrastructure and a naval blockage all for the kidnapping of two IAF troops? Sounds rational.

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    I really didn't mean all of Beirut for instance The American University in Beirut nor the Yashrefiye district in Beirut where all the christians live in this parking lot? Nor did I want to include the Jewish quarters and the synagogh across the field from Rafic Hariris monument in this parking lot to be.

    Nor the Starbucks on Rue Hamra (and the other ones) in the parking lot?

    Nike Concept store in downtown? It is also not a good idea to time the parkinglot redevelopment of the exhibition center while 50-cent is having a concert?

    Lebanon is made up uf 40% christians and 60% muslems, but all of them are 100% lebenese most of all. The majority of the lebanese people love money and luxury cars more than anything else, and don´t really find politics interesting.

    The problem is that the minority has more power than they should because of the fact that they have received weapons from other players that they should not have. This means that every PM that suggests that Hesbollha should have their weapons taken away instantly dies in a carbomb. Every reporter that suggests that hezbollah is bad for the country instantly dies in a carbomb.

    Beirut has previously been the financial center of that region and was on good way of becoming it again. Banks, international companies, investors...they all gether in Beirut.

    Beirut is truly international and the most western and american culture adopted city in the region.

    Yep time to kill more terriosts.(Sarcasm)
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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Attacks have been perpetuated on both sides, but only one country occupys the other. The Syrians may be selling the Lebanese government weapons, but who sells them to the Israelis? Who is the largest arms dealer in the world?

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    The Arabs and Muslims understand nothng but power and death.
    Diplomacy, talking will never work.
    Israel knows this, and is simply playing the only game they can, with the rules of game defined by Arabs and Muslims, who also know exactly the rules of THEIR game.

    The logic, the calculus of Israeli hostagaes equaling X dead on the Arab/Muslim side (don't even talk about infrastructure destruction) simply doesn't compute.

    Taking Israeli hostages was not a random act by Palestinians and Hisbollah.

    Shiite Iran and Syria surely are involved here.

    Edgar and his puppet Charlie have stepped into so deep they are powerless to do anything. They lit the fire under the cauldron but it's they who are getting boiled alive.

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    Hizbollah is not necessarily the Lebanese but Syrians, Iranians, al-Qaida.

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    Hizbollah is not necessarily the Lebanese but Syrians, Iranians, al-Qaida.
    Exactly, which is why Israel is going about things in a really ing stupid way. But whats new?

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    War! huh-yeah
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Uh-huh

    War! huh-yeah
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again y'all

    War! huh good God
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me?

    Ohhh? War! I despise
    Because it means destruction?
    Of innocent lives

    War means tears
    to thousands of mothers eyes
    When their sons go to fight
    and lose their lives

    I said - War! Huh Good God y'all
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again

    War! Whoa, Lord ...
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me?

    War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
    War! Friend only to the undertaker
    War! It's an enemy to all mankind
    The thought of war blows my mind

    War has caused unrest in the younger generation
    Induction then destruction-
    Who wants to die?

    Ohhh? War Good God y'all
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it, Say it, Say it

    War! Uh-huh Yeah - Huh!
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    Listen to me?

    War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
    War! It's got one friend, that's the undertaker
    War has shattered many a young mans dreams
    Made him disabled bitter and mean
    Life is much to precious to spend fighting wars these days
    War can't give life, it can only take it away

    War! Huh Good God y'all
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again

    War! Whoa, Lord ...
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me?

    War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
    War! Friend only to the undertaker
    Peace Love and Understanding;
    tell me, is there no place for them today?
    They say we must fight to keep our freedom
    But Lord knows there's got to be a better way

    War! Huh Good God y'all
    What is it good for?
    You tell me
    Say it, Say it, Say it

    War! Huh Good God y'all
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    Stand up and shout it.
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    How could the peace process fail and the whole area be on the brink without the diplomatic example of the U.S.?

    47 people killed, countless injured and property destroyed, including civilian infrastructure and a naval blockage all for the kidnapping of two IAF troops? Sounds rational.

    I don't know how you equate our diplomatic process and Israel doing their
    thing about the soldiers.

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    Israel is fed up with the rocket attacks, suicide bombers and calls for restraint from the International community.

    Israel didn't start this - they are just defending themselves from the attacks. Do you think if Mexico or Canada lobbed 1,000 bombs into the US that we would just turn the other cheek?

    Hezbollah and Hamas don't understand diplomacy - they only understand war and violence. They want the Jews run into the sea and will never stop the violence.

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    Exactly, which is why Israel is going about things in a really ing stupid way. But whats new?
    Hezbullah has Syrian and Iranian funded headquarters in Beirut and Southern Lebanon.

    I actually think most Lebanese welcome this housecleaning.

    , even Egyptian President Mubarek was saying the Syrians have ed up this time.

    All those er had to do was return the soldiers. Now, it's game on.

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    Your right, it's game on. Until we have to join Israel, then it's game over.

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    Your right, it's game on. Until we have to join Israel, then it's game over.
    I don't think Israel's going to need our help...unless, Iran is stupid enough to try something.

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    If Iran is stupid enough? Their playing us like a fiddle right now. What better way to paint the US as the worlds true evil empire. What better way to unit the muslim community.

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    Hezbullah has Syrian and Iranian funded headquarters in Beirut and Southern Lebanon.

    I actually think most Lebanese welcome this housecleaning.

    , even Egyptian President Mubarek was saying the Syrians have ed up this time.

    All those er had to do was return the soldiers. Now, it's game on.
    Yeah, I'm sure thats why the Lebanese are fleeing their country right now. Because they welcome having their airport bombed.

    This is ing stupid beyond belief. You finally get a democratic government in place in that country and instead of helping them you ing bomb them. Brilliant!

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    Your right, it's game on. Until we have to join Israel, then it's game over.
    They didn't need our help in '67, they won't need it now either.

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    If Iran is stupid enough? Their playing us like a fiddle right now. What better way to paint the US as the worlds true evil empire. What better way to unit the muslim community.
    I don't see a whole lot of uniting going on. Not much beyond the typical, almost obligatory, condemnations. But, I don't think this is your daddy's Lebanon.

    Lebanese blogger Raja provides us with a tough translation of what Hassan Nasrallah said in his news conference:
    The operation took place at 9:05 AM. The Israeli response began at 10:30 AM. The . This is the only way to move forward. This is the natural choice. It is the only way to free the prisoners. If anybody has any options please tell me. Also let them tell me why those means have not succeeded over the past 20 years. We are highlighting to the world our cause. There are over 10,000 Lebanese, Palestinian and Arab prisoners that need to be released. Our aim is to close the issue of prisoners completely. And the only way to do so is to take Israeli prisoners of our own. We also seek to help the Palestinians in Gaza. This is a message to the Israelis: our self-control is not weakness. It is merely taking calculated moves.

    We tell the Israelis that the only way to free the Israelis is through indirect negotiations and a prisoner exchange. The Israelis and the World can do whatever they want, but they won't get anywhere. No military operation will get anywhere if the objective is to free the soldiers. If the military operation is intended to punish Lebanon, then they should expect surprizes. We have been preparing for an Israeli invasion since the day the Israelis were kicked out.

    Message to Lebanese: Nobody should behave in a way that would encourage the enemy. now is the time that we should unite. All politicians should act in a patriotic way. The government should act in a patriotic way. We acted in a patriotic way - you can agree or disagree with me. The government is asking us to keep Lebanon in mind. I say okay. But the way to keep Lebanon in mind is to prevent its exposure to Israeli aggression. I have gotten a number of phone calls saying that we should return the soldiers as soon as possible without asking for anything in return. That is not a reasonable request.
    Lebanese blogger R is pissed off and puts it so well

    What the is wrong with these re s? Kidnapping Israeli soldiers? fighting them, drawing them into the country? And why? Has anything happened recently? Did the Isreali warplanes’ buzzing of the Syrian dictator’s summer palace bother the “resistance” so much? Do they feel with the Palestinian cause enough to risk their own “country”? Well… they don’t believe in the country, true… so I guess that’s not a valid argument.

    How about not being stupid? Do you want an Israeli invasion? Is that what you want you hairy-assed masochists? I don’t get it. The world is moving forward, and terrorist and rogue nations are being sidelined. Lebanon was on its way up, somehow, ridding itself of the Syrians, open “discussions” in parliament, breaching taboo subjects… There was a glimmer of hope. What are we now? A nation on the terror list again?
    Read the whole thing.

    I also hear there's footage of the Israeli and Palestinian ambassadors to the U.N. going toe-to-toe in New York -- here.

    Now, if Hezbullah is successful in transporting the Israeli soldiers to Iran (as is currently being reported), then it may be more than game on...we may move to the main event.

    Tricky times.

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    They were the luckiest bas s on earth in 67. We didn't have time to help.

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    Yeah, I'm sure thats why the Lebanese are fleeing their country right now. Because they welcome having their airport bombed.

    This is ing stupid beyond belief. You finally get a democratic government in place in that country and instead of helping them you ing bomb them. Brilliant!
    Of course, your answer is to capitulate and release hundreds, perhaps thousands, of terrorists in order to purchase the return of the soldiers?

    Then what?

    And, to be honest with you, I think the Lebanese, while understandably fleeing during hostilities, are thankful this is going to finally rid them of their Syrian and Hezbullah terrorist influences.

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    They were the luckiest bas s on earth in 67. We didn't have time to help.
    Lucky? How?

    They were smart. They still are.

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    Of course, your answer is to capitulate and release hundreds, perhaps thousands, of terrorists in order to purchase the return of the soldiers?

    Then what?

    And, to be honest with you, I think the Lebanese, while understandably fleeing during hostilities, are thankful this is going to finally rid them of their Syrian and Hezbullah terrorist influences.
    I can see how you would logicaly assume that because I am against the bombing of a fledgling government that has been a long time coming I would be for Israel meeting the demands of kidnappers. There are no other options out there, after all.



    Israel is being counter productive (eh, whats new?) and is only going to hurt itself. Of course if it wants Syria to have more influence once again in Lebanon then it is definetly taking the appropriate actions.

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    I can see how you would logicaly assume that because I am against the bombing of a fledgling government that has been a long time coming I would be for Israel meeting the demands of kidnappers. There are no other options out there, after all.
    Name the other options.

    Israel is being counter productive...
    Of course, kidnapping Israeli soldiers was productive.

    ...and is only going to hurt itself.
    That's yet to be seen. I don't see any of the Arab Nations threatening anything. And, there are no signs of them mobilizing forces. I think Israel may rid Gaza and Lebanon of Syrian and Iranian supported terrorists groups. I think that's their aim. I think they'll be successful.

    Of course if it wants Syria to have more influence once again in Lebanon then it is definetly taking the appropriate actions.
    Just from the blog I posted, the Lebanese apparently blame the Syrian proxies for bringing this on them. I don't think the Lebanese will allow Syria back in directly...and, I certainly don't think Israel or the U.S. will allow it.

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    They were the luckiest bas s on earth in 67. We didn't have time to help.
    Right, it's not like we weren't flying SR-71s over the region and sending the intel to Israel.

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    I've seen footage of the Israeli government and military leaders of that time who readily admit the luck involved with that victory.

    But of course, you expect to fight like crazy with your back is against the wall.

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    If you want to start with other options you may want to start with what should have happened long before Lebanon's airports started being bombed. They should have gone after SYRIA, not Lebanon.

    Seriously, no one denies thats where the arms and money for Hezbollah come from, so why the does it make sense to hurt Beruit? It is flat out obvious to anyone who follows that the Lebanese government can't do much about Hezbollah and is a government that Israel should be trying to protect not undermine.

    If you don't see how having a civil war break out - AGAIN - to the north is going to hurt Israel then you're a tad bit dumber than I've given you credit for.

    Even if their aim was to destroy Hezbollah, then ing do it. Send ground troops in and do the job that Lebanon can't, but bombing Beriut makes no sense! If Israel wants to destroy this group, then so be it. I can't blame them for that. But once agian, they go about things in a really stupid way and attack people that aren't even involved.

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