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    new coach says shooting form doesnt matter.......
    i hope he's saving and investing his money because the performance of our players the past 2 seasons is ensuring there won't be a bidding war for him in the future.

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    Playing Wesley and Castle together certainly helps. Throw some Sochan and Zach Collins in there too. „why are you not scoring?“

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    I coined the defense as “the wemby zone”

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    Another guy collecting checks. Must be nice to have these kinds of connections.

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    Whoever he is, he sucks at his job.

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    new coach says shooting form doesnt matter.......

    sounds great, but the completely opposite of what sochan is actually doing. Shooting like he's counting steps in his head, with an extra hitch while rasing up just for fun.

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    Concerning for sure. Castle just got here so we wont include him.

    But Sochan made no progress. Keldon 3 ball still wildly inconsistent. Wemby 3 ball not bankable just yet. Spurs have to have some of these guys develop a solid consistent 3 ball or it’s going to be bad.

    Dev has it. Need 2 more out of Keldon/Wemby/Castle/Sochan with Sochan already looking like a lost cause and Keldon looking like he may not be here in 2 years. So really need Dev + Castle + Wemby to show the type of shooting growth that so many on OKC have shown working with Chip.

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    I mean we seemingly see SO many success stories on other teams; guys who are good defenders but questionable shooters but are really progressing and spurs just really have not had anyone make that shooting leap in that same regard. It’s a little concerning

    Look at Coulibaly, all the guys on OKC, Bridges (although hes regressing and something is going on there), Herb Jones, etc….

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    God dammit I was checked out about the team last year and didn't know we lost Chip. I was expecting Wemby would get to work with him. That sucks ass.
    He’s been gone since summer of 2022. None of the three picks that year got a chance to work with him.

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    THIS is the coach that should be fired. A LOT of problems would just evaporate if 3-4 guys could elevate their long ball to just 35-36%. Not asking for Curry level results.

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    I mean we seemingly see SO many success stories on other teams; guys who are good defenders but questionable shooters but are really progressing and spurs just really have not had anyone make that shooting leap in that same regard. It’s a little concerning

    Look at Coulibaly, all the guys on OKC, Bridges (although hes regressing and something is going on there), Herb Jones, etc….
    Ryan Dunn seemingly overnight

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    Ryan Dunn seemingly overnight
    There are an awful lot of guys improving their shooting across the league where Spurs are not having anyone pop….still time especially for Wemby/Castle but man we need them to show similar growth in shooting as we’ve seen elsewhere or we need to really start asking questions.

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    There are an awful lot of guys improving their shooting across the league where Spurs are not having anyone pop….still time especially for Wemby/Castle but man we need them to show similar growth in shooting as we’ve seen elsewhere or we need to really start asking questions.
    sochan still cant make them (has stopped taking them, really), and he takes even longer to get the shots off now

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    Ryan Dunn seemingly overnight
    Who needs 3&D when you can have a future draft pick from a team with a young top 5 player?

    It's not just the improvements, I think scouting comes into it also

    Spurs happily made sure the media knew that they were at EVERY practice for Castle. Why? They couldn't figure out his game in only half the time? After they were convinced ... They couldn't move on?

    They couldn't have spent ANY of those practices scouting other players? They just had to see every single brick instead of spending time on other players when they knew they had a good chance for a second first round pick?

    Once their pets were off the board, it was either trade out or pick a name of a player they never scouted like Alfrederick Hughes, a glorious Spurs tradition

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    Who needs 3&D when you can have a future draft pick from a team with a young top 5 player?

    It's not just the improvements, I think scouting comes into it also

    Spurs happily made sure the media knew that they were at EVERY practice for Castle. Why? They couldn't figure out his game in only half the time? After they were convinced ... They couldn't move on?

    They couldn't have spent ANY of those practices scouting other players? They just had to see every single brick instead of spending time on other players when they knew they had a good chance for a second first round pick?

    Once their pets were off the board, it was either trade out or pick a name of a player they never scouted like Alfrederick Hughes, a glorious Spurs tradition

    when you hire from losing franchises u get loser results...........this is the head scout/director
    Adam Glessner comes on as director of basketball intelligence Glessner joins the Silver and Black after spending the last four seasons with the Detroit Pistons. He spent the last two years as Detroit’s director of player personnel after being promoted from pro scout in 2016. Glessner worked with the Charlotte Hornets as a coaching associate for one season after six years with the Orlando Magic. After graduating from the University of Florida, Glessner joined the Magic as an assistant video coordinator in 2007 and was later elevated to video coordinator and analyst.

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    I suppose someday the full story of why Chip Engelland wasn't paid/retained will come out, but for now it's still a mystery. I wouldn't be surprised if Pop's lack of enthusiasm for the three point shot played at least a small part.

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    I suppose someday the full story of why Chip Engelland wasn't paid/retained will come out, but for now it's still a mystery. I wouldn't be surprised if Pop's lack of enthusiasm for the three point shot played at least a small part.
    Pop has never been a proponent of the three ball, yet Chip stayed for 17 years. Don’t think that’s it.

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    when you hire from losing franchises u get loser results...........this is the head scout/director
    I've never heard of this guy until today and it makes me sick to find out

    He's obviously a B.Wrong nepotism buddy hire, I didn't know Wrong was infecting the franchise and remaking it in his own image until now after how vigorously people defend him as a helpless observer with zero power

    Looks like Glessner was a fellow Magic simptern with B.Wrong in Orlando, who then followed him to Detroit like the Castleberry to Kawhi cling-on connection

    Then he follows him to San Antonio, and soon as B.Wrong gets promoted to General Manager, that's when his comfort scout Glessner gets his first of 2 promotions, and now he's the Senior Director of Player Personnel.

    Fantastic. The 2 scouting architects who laid the foundation for the success of the Detroit Pistons the past 10 years are running the Spurs

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    Holy , this dude was literally coaching high schoolers before the Spurs hired him. You can't make this up.

    Since 2020, he served as the Head Skills Coach at IMG Academy in Florida. Prior to IMG, he ran several professional skills clinics for a decade before joining IMG in 2020. At the pro level, he’s counted Blake Griffin, John Wall, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, and Derrick Rose as his clients.
    https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023...shooting-coach

    He really did wonders for Westbrook's jump shot.

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    Fire this clown tbh.

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    Holy , this dude was literally coaching high schoolers before the Spurs hired him. You can't make this up.



    https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023...shooting-coach

    He really did wonders for Westbrook's jump shot.
    Not sure when he was working with them, but Griffin, Love & Rose all became solid outside shooters over time.

    On the Spurs front, it doesn't look good when only Champagnie is your biggest success and the team refuses to add 'ready made' shooters from the draft.

    I get wanting multifaceted players or guys that have unteachable traits (Wesley's open court speed), but eventually you need to add just that are natural shooters.

    I'm hoping Riley Minix balls out in the G-League and there is an eventual path for him on the main roster. The team needs to invest in movement shooting and (young) 3-point shooters badly.

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    To me, it's really difficult to judge a shooting coach as an outsider observer. It's clearly not as simple as "Spurs don't shoot well, the shooting coach sucks." I don't know what to think about Jimmy Baron.

    Baron was hired just before the Wembanyama draft. At that point, it was kinda logical to go after a shooting coach with no previous NBA experience given that Spurs were going through a slow rebuild. With Wembanyama speeding the rebuild, it's more questionable.

    Even if it's hard to properly evaluate Baron for fans, it's quite easy for Pop, especially since he has worked with one of the best shooting coach for years. If Pop thinks he isn't good enough, Spurs shouldn't hesitate to hire an upgrade, even if it's costly.

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    I remember the pre-Chip days when Pop would on reporters asking about having adding shooting coach to the staff. His voice would drip with disdain as he explained with agitation that the coaches on staff worked with players shots everyday as it was, what the was a shooting coach going to go different?

    Who knows what's going on in Pop's head nowadays?

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    when you hire from losing franchises u get loser results...........this is the head scout/director
    wow so we got the Pistons GM and scout? No wonder we suck. Let's hire their headcoach from back then too, he can't be worse than the one we currently have.

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    yeah, that's an awful take from this guy, since the guy can just walk his way to a 10 foot jumper.. how long does he expect the spurs offence to not figure that out ?

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