Atlanta Hawks 2025 Draft Pick Watch

[LeBowen]

Trae is not starting out, so the comparison to young Luka isn’t valid. He’s also not been to the Mountain like Jokic has, so his slide is not the same, and yes, some of the ATL pieces are nice and better than some of the DEN pieces. Anyone heard the name Christian Braun lately? His game kind of tanked when he had to play a larger role.

I honestly have no clue how to make my point here, you guys keep missing it.
What I'm trying to say is that no matter how good of a player is, you simply can't make some teammates better and you can't win by yourself.
Their best achievements and stage of their career doesn't matter, I'm just talking about basketball ability. Jokic is the best player in the league, Luka is top3 and neither could get to the top with bad teams.

Trae is obviously a few tiers below, if not more, but a lot of people have similar expectations of him. He's not that guy.
Which playmaker other than Luka would do a better job than Trae with current Hawks squad?
I don't think Fox, Haliburton or even Brunson are much better.

When Trae keeps chucking and has low percentage games everyone keeps talking how he's not the guy, but when Brunson does it noone says . Completely different standards for some reason.
Haliburton was also garbage in a lot of key moments, noone said . Fox has way better supporting cast and he hasn't done anything.
To me they're all in Trae's tier, but he's the only one constantly getting scrutinized by the media.
And none of them are worth a supermax. Brunson taking that huge discount is what separates him from the bunch.

[Mugen]

They’re barely treading water over the past 3 years. He isn’t elevating them, but his absence would be like throwing a cinder block at the team treading water. Leading your team to the play in isn’t elevating them when they were better a few years ago. He’s de-elevating them.

So him missing time would make them sink...which means him playing elevates them.

[rjv]

i think the original point is that trae isn't good enough to carry the hawks with such a depleted roster. if they get healthy, they will obviously be better but they're, at best, play-in level. and if trae also gets hurt, they'll lose even more games.

[spurraider21]

[exstatic]

So him missing time would make them sink...which means him playing elevates them.

No. They’re slowly getting worse WITH him. The fact that they would sink like a rock without him doesn’t mean he elevates them. Elevation is a function of what happens when you’re WITH THE TEAM. They’re getting worse year over year WITH HIM.

[Raven]

atlanta is clearly terrible

[scott]

No. They’re slowly getting worse WITH him. The fact that they would sink like a rock without him doesn’t mean he elevates them. Elevation is a function of what happens when you’re WITH THE TEAM. They’re getting worse year over year WITH HIM.

Wait until you hear about the Spurs with Gregg Popovich.

[talkspurs]

Trae never elevates his team, and they’ve been trending downward for four seasons. His empty calories mean nothing in the long haul.

They really have no backup PG. Daniels starts at the 2, and is even less of a PG than Dejounte. If Trae goes down, we’re getting a top 4 pick.

Did he really contradict himself with only a post in between. If he does not elevate the team then him getting injured should not effect the team losing more.

[exstatic]

Did he really contradict himself with only a post in between. If he does not elevate the team then him getting injured should not effect the team losing more.

Did you read any more posts?

[talkspurs]

Did you read any more posts?

You just mad because more people are calling you out?

[exstatic]

You just mad because more people are calling you out?

Stupid people not understanding that even being on the court, his team is crap. Of course, if he’s off the court, they’re worse crap, but a #1 who’s team is in a four year slide IS NOT ELEVATING THE TEAM.

[talkspurs]

If the team is better with you on it then with you off it then you elevate the team. We are not saying how good the team is. We are just saying that he makes the team better then it would be with him not on it.

You never said elevate them to a contender.

[exstatic]

If the team is better with you on it then with you off it then you elevate the team. We are not saying how good the team is. We are just saying that he makes the team better then it would be with him not on it.

You never said elevate them to a contender.

Literally 90% of the NBA is better than their bench replacement. I guess everyone elevates their teams? Don’t be so obtuse.

Elevating your team means you’re ‘the guy’, and you make the players around you better, and your team gets better. It doesn’t mean that you're ‘the guy’ and your team gets worse year on year.

John Collins was a borderline All Star, a legit 20/10 PF who could shoot the 3. Trae turned him into a salary dump. Dejounte got worse playing with Trae. He’s had talent around him, he just drives them off.

[talkspurs]

Literally 90% of the NBA is better than their bench replacement. I guess everyone elevates their teams? Don’t be so obtuse.

Elevating your team means you’re ‘the guy’, and you make the players around you better, and your team gets better. It doesn’t mean that you're ‘the guy’ and your team gets worse year on year.

John Collins was a borderline All Star, a legit 20/10 PF who could shoot the 3. Trae turned him into a salary dump. Dejounte got worse playing with Trae. He’s had talent around him, he just drives them off.

I think you are getting team and teammates confused. You are arguing he does not make his teammates better but you keep saying team. Going by your logic you could say Lebron did not make most of his team(mates) better as most of their stats got worse.

[objective]

Collins game was ruined when he got popped for juicing then wrecked his hand and lost his shot

[exstatic]

I think you are getting team and teammates confused. You are arguing he does not make his teammates better but you keep saying team. Going by your logic you could say Lebron did not make most of his team(mates) better as most of their stats got worse.

He does neither.

[objective]

Banchero with the torn oblique. Atl catching breaks

[Mr. Body]

Wow, the EC is close to complete trash at this point.

[onechance87]

Banchero with the torn oblique. Atl catching breaks

wow wtf

[spurraider21]

Banchero with the torn oblique. Atl catching breaks

Charlotte catching breaks as well

[onechance87]

Charlotte catching breaks as well

But charlotte cares to tank.Atl dont get nothing from tanking.Bucks have been awful as well.Need them
to get it together.

[Mr. Body]

I think Orlando can keep the ship afloat, they have some decent talent. The East is just so miserably bad. If Atlanta played in the WC it'd be an instant lottery pick.

[CGD]

Charlotte catching breaks as well

We want CHA to catch these breaks though, unlike ATL.

[Mr. Body]

Somewhat interesting question, who is better, Charlotte or Atlanta?

I might say Charlotte and I hate this Charlotte roster.

[Pauleta14]

Somewhat interesting question, who is better, Charlotte or Atlanta?

I might say Charlotte and I hate this Charlotte roster.

Atlanta the better player

Charlotte the better roster