I think this topic deserves its own thread, this will be a point of discussion for many years especially after last Pop answer to the question "you want Victor take that many 3s ?" answer: "absolutely"
Not that one could imagine Victor shooting 3s like a mofo against Pop will but this quote clarifies once and for all any doubts about it. It is clear that Victor does not see himself as a traditional big, he aims to be an elite player on both end of the floor and on offense he will use the 3s as a primary weapon and that vision is totally accepted and encouraged by Pop.
I believe he has a point, in today's NBA if you want to win it all, you have to be elite at shooting 3s (see Boston last year, Warriors...) and all recent and past MVP candidates shoot the 3s.
- Jokic with 3 3PA (he is at 5 3PA this season so far) at .35 first year .33
- Luka with 10 3PA at .35 first year .33
- Lebron with 5 3PA (carreer high at 8) at .35 first year .29
- Tatum with 7 3PA at .37 first year .43
- KD with 5 3PA at .39 first year .29
- SGA with 3,5 3PA (5 3PA this season) at .35 first year .37
- Curry with 9 3PA at .42 first year .43
- Victor with 5,5 3PA at .32 and an abmyssal .19 this year so far
I certainly forgot dudes but you get my point. Now you can argue that high volume 3 pts shooter is 5 3PA or above so Jokic and SGA does not enter in this category, fair but in Victor mind he won't achieve what he is aiming without an healthy amount of 3s (how many, thats the debate).
In terms of attempt he is on par with Lebron and KD, he shot better than both in their first season and is on par with Jokic first season (much less attempts) and Luka in %.
Can Victor become an elite 3 pts shooter ? Well he may not be as good as Curry, Tatum and other specialists but nothing seems to prevent him from being as good as most of curent and past MVP candidates in that regard. .32 seems bad but if you put it in a more global context it is quite solid for a 19 y/o who gives effort on both end of the floor.
You can now argue about the method to get there, shooting from the logo, in transition with plenty of time on the shot clock, off balance, on one leg.... but his shooting mechanic is pretty good, with his size most of his attempts are not really contested and I guess if he can convert some of the most difficult ones, the easiest will be a piece of cake. Nevertheless he may try to get inspired by Lebron. In 21 22 he was shooting a high 7 to 8 3s per game at .32 / .35 not great obviously, he decided to adjust his shooting mechanic after 22/23 season, reduced his attempts per game cutting off the most contested ones and in 24 he converted at .41 clip which is elite even for Curry. He may just do that in the long run but this is not the way he has chosen so far.
I mean the concept is clear. If he becomes proficient at them, there’s no meaningful way for the defense to take it away. He’s going to get open looks his whole career.
but i don’t see the need for him to be shooting with THIS volume NOW. Go shoot a hundred of them in practice, in shootaround, until you improve enough to unleash more in game
I think it’s been quite obvious since last season that they’re letting him work on everything and the volume three point shooting is a part of what they envision for his future. The team can afford it because they’re not quite good enough to contend yet so let him find out exactly what he wants to be.
It has been suggested that they also don’t care about efficiency right now, it’s more important for Wemby to find the right spots and moments to launch his threes. Last season’s numbers were weird in the sense that he shot better off the dribble than in spot ups. They need to figure out which shot is a good one within the offensive flow and which isn’t. They can take their time with it and they’re doing exactly that.
Now, a 7’5 player who’s a volume 3 point shooter on decent efficiency would be impossible to stop and would open up the court for him and his teammates. Right now the offense and spacing are horrible, even with Paul, so they need to figure out counters for opposing team defensive coverages against Wemby. OKC walled him path to the rim, Utah decided to put a traditional big on him and I suppose it was almost by design that he’d go and shoot a ton from the get go.
Once the spacing gets better they might explore other things but for the time being it’s totally fine letting him shoot 10+ threes a game.
Wemby can do whatever the f he wants until san Antonio puts a compe ive team around him
Im already sick of posting this....
relax spurs fans.
Wemby is a threat from anywhere on the court and by allowing him to do as he pleases he will develop into...
a long distance threat
a mid level threat
a low post threat
the absolute best defender to boot.
Unless, you are on the side of the opponents who want nothing more than to stifle wembys development and turn wemby into a one dimensional threat who can be triple teamed and forced out of basket area.
Open your mind and accept that wemby knows what he is doing and unbelievably Pop is not scared and nervous about it!
They want to play him like a wing. The shooting doesn’t bother me. The problem will be turnovers because he’s tall and his dribble is too high. These guys are getting their hands in and defending him without much of a problem.
I prefer Wemby around the elbow.
He has really good form and it's not like his misses are awful. It sounds like Pop is fine with him chucking so all we can do is hope he starts making them at a respectable clip eventually and I suppose the best way to do that is to get reps in during games
Still wish he'd stop being so adverse to maximizing his greatest advantage
Did you ever stop to think that by shooting from anywhere- that is exactly what he is doing?
If you only shoot from the easiest place- you are also making defenses comfortable by only worrying about a limited range, but by shooting from anywhere and where no one in the league can block your shot from anywhere on the court -
now defenders are comfortable nowhere on the court.
I'm not overly concerned with his 3pt attempts this season given the roster construction and the quality of the '25 draft
I'm mostly concerned about the bad habits he's building chucking from the logo, chucking as his first look, etc. He'll never be a good enough shooter where his 3 should be his primary weapon tbh. If it develops, it'll be a nice counter. But he needs to develop his game from 15 feet in, otherwise a lot of the advantages he has with his height are essentially negated tbh.
Last night he took more threes in 1st half when entire team starting with Sochen weren’t passing the ball and simply doing what ever they want. I felt like he protested by just doing the same way entire team is playing low BBIQ.
In 2nd half every one played better with good team work.
Seems like they're pretty content to let him chuck 30 footers all night rather than playing inside the three point line. Until he becomes a good shooter he is bailing out the defense, period
And obviously I thought about it considering I said it in the post you're quoting
Playoffs is too perimeter oriented that is why the coaching staff is letting him be a guard/wing on offense most of the time.
Opposite. Everyone else was doing what they could to activate the offense when Vic was just jacking shots.
Vic can get his three anytime he wants. Shooting them in every single possession to start a game is a problem. It fails to establish any team rhythm, lets the defense off the hook, and is feast or famine. If they don't fall -- and by nature they often don't -- then you're already two digits down.
Really?Seems like they're pretty content to let him chuck 30 footers all night rather than playing inside the three point line. Until he becomes a good shooter he is bailing out the defense, period
And obviously I thought about it considering I said it in the post you're quoting
How many of his shots were blocked?
hmmm
sounds like the defense was not bailed out too much...so just give him time and he will improve his already good-looking shot.
Eh, it is what it is. If he hits one more thats .384 for the game. If someone shoots .384 from 3 you let them shoot it when they're wide open. I get it's hypothetical but only barely.
Just keep shooting them. It's become clear to me that Wemby, at least for the time being, is not going to go the Wilt or Kareem route and is instead following his KD dream. I'll be happy to be along for the ride, whether it works out and he's scoring 30+ from the perimeter most nights, or if he decides to take it inside if that doesn't work for him.
Sean has a saying: a bad shot is better than a turnover. He was turning the ball over way too much in the previous three games.
You're bailing them out because you're inefficient. It's not a hard concept to grasp. It's why Sochan and Collins are left open to shoot 3s as well. It's what the defense wants you to do and you're playing into their hands
His shots are never going to get blocked because he's so tall. That doesn't mean it's a good shot
If he’s facing the basket, and they triple him, he can see the two players unguarded. Train them to cut to the basket, and it’s an easy two points off the pass.
He had a monster game...what game were you watching?
He wont continue to miss...his legs are just beginning to get back to game shape...he is thinking way beyond your comfort zone/imagination -
why so scared?
Besides I don't think any of us mind him shooting threes but it's the volume he's shooting them at and the type of threes he's shooting. He shouldnt be taking multiple logo 3s every night. There is only one player in the league and probably ever that a logo 3 is a "good" shot and that's Steph Curry
He's not Steph brah. Sorry to break it to you. He'll miss and that's when he has to figure out what else to do besides chucking 10 3s a game.
try to get this in your limited imagination:
he will be better than steph and he wont be limited by being 6'2''
he will shoot from the logo and make them most of the time and no one will ever block those shots and they will demoralize a team even more than when steph demoralizes a team because he will then go near the basket and dominate there also
but YOU will still be scurred that his shooting is making YOU uncomfortable
Yeah definitely the quality of those threes is important. If he hits a couple of 3s and decides to throw a couple of heat checkers from the logo, no one would bat an eyelash. If you're 0-5 and chucking logo threes... that's some Jordan Poole
Exactly - agreed 100%. The further outside and medial your comfort zone is, the weaker double/triple/quadruple teams become and the stronger cutting and hitting open shots is. These guys need to be constantly moving when he gets the ball high. I thought we did a decent job of it last night, just don't have much talent on the roster to take advantage of such situations.
If only our guys could hit some open shots and weren't afraid to take it strong into the paint repeatedly, we'd be a play-in team. Of course, that's wishcasting at this point but the concept remains true.
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