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Victor should be shooting 10 threes a game till he gets to at least 36%
I'm on the side that he takes too many 3's. If he's open and shoots after a drive and dish or passes around the perimeter thats fine. But sometimes he just dribbles up and pulls the trigger. At that point he is simply settling. He can get a 3 whenever, don't just pull up and shoot a 3 with 20 sec left on the shot clock.
And its also an inefficient shot when he has a PG or SG guarding him. You take him down low, force them to double you and then you can pass it out to someone open. Or you simply go to work down low against the PG/SG and score at will over him.
Victor should be shooting 10 threes a game till he gets to at least 36%
I think at even 35%, he’d be lethal, because they’d HAVE to come out beyond the arc and at least show on defense. Once that happens, it unlocks the one dribble/three steps dunk from the 3 point line.
Not all threes are created equal. Wemby's off-dribble threes are there mainly to help his growth as a star. As said by others, if he's able to hit those at a high rate, defenses basically have no meaningful way to guard him outside of fouling. You simply could not let him have a clean catch. However, unless the Spurs' plan is the get Wemby to be a star and then start trying to build a whole new team around him, they should be trying to build something more cohesive. Like a functional offense is great for Wemby, but it's also necessary for Castle, Vassell, Sochan and the guys coming up in the draft. You don't want Wemby being this great iso player and then the rest of the roster being stunted, if only because then you really do create situations where Wemby is triple-teamed.
So Wemby perfecting set threes seems like a more worthy short-term goal. In a world where Wemby is guarded by centers, him being able to pull that center out of the paint would be really helpful to creating space for others. Victor becoming a more consistent pick-and-pop/pick-and-fade threat is also a worthy goal for building up the his perimeter co-stars.
I've never really hated the threes, especially early in the game, so long as everything else is there. I am more annoyed with them when they come in crunch time, especially if Wemby isn't hot. But it's a bit concerning that he seems to shoot better off the dribble than on catch-and-shoot. Spotting up is an essential NBA skill, even for stars.
As bb pointed out earlier, he shot 37% on pull-ups last year, and 27% on catch and shoot oppos. At this point, you WANT him dribbling into one.
Yes .35 is good enough, thats what Jokic is shooting for his carreer on 3 3PA per game and it opens a lot for him and his teammates, he would not be the same passer without this constant threat. Jokic is what wemby could come close on offense but also with an elite defense, the near perfect package. One thing is being on both end ala prime Kawhi is extremely demanding in terms of stamina and Victor still lacks on that regard.
I'm fine with him shooting 3s fairly liberally. I just don't think it should be the primary weapon in his bag. He has too many weapons to put so much emphasis on that one.
Plus, I believe the traditional logic of "if you're a big man, shooting too much from distance is wasting your main physical advantage" is still fundamentally true. As easy as shooting 3s may be for him, you know what's even easier? Scoring close to the basket. So quite simply, he will score more total points if he attempts more shots around the basket.
If anyone can refute this, I'd love to hear it.
thats some of the bread and butter of Jokic tbh... a great example of what Victor should aim for, he has the court vision and passing skills for that imho fwiw ()
Pop also had this answer as a " you" to not give any weapon to the media to create a polemic imo
Pretty sure he ripped Wemby a 2nd one in the lockeroom
statistically he shot a way better percentage off the dribble than on catch-and-shoot 3s last season
yes but shooting 3s is also a way to open up and scores more around the basket. Victor for now has not the frame, weight and ass to bully centers around the basket but he can roll which for him is one step from the 3 pts line taking advantage of centers chasing him
I don't think so, you can tell when Pop is ironic, his "absolutely" was dead serious, also not the first time he takes 10 or more 3s
High volune yes but 13?
Maybe, we'll see the trend soon enough
he won't take 13 on a regular, 13 is in fact the most he took in his carreer, so far he averages 5 pg same as last year
I'll eat crow if this turns out to be the case long term, but that's a short term aberration IMO.
Could be, but could also be what one poster said: that his height and release point requires a longer shot for optimal arc, and that’s what he gets on the pull-ups. A corner three could be the equivalent for him of the dreaded 8-10 foot jumper for most players. Maybe he could learn to consistently bank them like a regular player might on that 8-10 footer.
Victor can take as many threes as he wants, but for a team that values ball movement and "from good to great" passing I just feel bad to see him walk up with the ball and just chuck it up without anyone else touching the ball once. Well, Pop has no problem, so what do I know
Let him rip it. We can complain about the post, but what’s the point right now with no one to pass to out of a triple team (maybe that changes with Vassell back, with say CP3 and Champ on the court). Getting obliterated isn’t the way to build skills or confidence in the post.
With the draft this is the year to chuck as many 3s as possible. And no, 3s in practice can’t replace in-game 3s.
Not to mention he has the skills to pump fake, drive and dish. Start seriously working on post moves when he bulks up and has more shooters around him.
The shooting will continue until morale improves.
I don't see him ever being a bully in the post, but that isn't the only way to play post. He can and should be a finesse post player. He can use his skill and quickness to out-maneuver and work his way around opposing centers...or simply rise up and shoot right over them. He might not have a traditional hook shot, but that doesn't matter. He knows how to shoot the ball from different angles from different spots on the floor. I want to see more of that.
It’s not how many threes, it’s what kind of threes. Out of rhythm threes with 21 seconds on the shot clock is and always will be a bad shot. He should focus on shooting in the flow of the offence.
Victors 3's are born out of 40% of our roster refusing to take 3's, somebody has to shoot them. When Devin comes back he will shoot less of them. If we actually get a real shooter on this team he'll take even less.
Some of it is also having him vacate the paint to give Sochan room to work, since he can't score at all outside of 7 feet. If Victor is going to be around the rim then what is even the point of Sochan, who can't score anywhere else?
He was +43, folks.
in Spurstalk.
The problem is not that he’s taking threes. The problem is that he’s not taking twos. He’s not even trying hard to score within the three point line. His effort has been terrible.
How many times has he rolled (hard) on screens versus popping out or standing still? He and Chris could be devastating as a duo but victor’s not putting in the effort. Hopefully it is just a conditioning thing, but anyone that says he’s not playing worse than he did the latter part of last season is just lying to themselves
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