Post Mortem Thread

[ElNono]

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bull has to ing go. It's value is substantially outweighed by how it radicalizes the other side. Cruz, as much of a piece of he is, ran a super effective campaign premised on "Collin Allred wants to put trans kids in your daughters lockeroom," and then proceeded to beat the ever loving out of Allred.

That's Texas though. Not saying the woke thing is politically expedient or not, just pointing out that's a message that works there.

[z0sa]

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bull has to ing go. It's value is substantially outweighed by how it radicalizes the other side. Cruz, as much of a piece of he is, ran a super effective campaign premised on "Collin Allred wants to put trans kids in your daughters lockeroom," and then proceeded to beat the ever loving out of Allred.

I have daughters, and don't agree with the trans kids in locker rooms either. It needs to be realized that even though trans people should have rights, there's plenty of people who are independent who don't like it. Why would I want my daughters to work their ass off in sports only for boys masquerading as girls to come in and overwhelm them with their biological advantage? It doesn't just radicalize republicans into voting, it turns off a huge portion of independents too, obviously. Same goes with BLM. No one was buying it was a bunch of peaceful protests, even if it there were plenty that were. It was wildin' in the name of being black plenty of times. Not saying black lives don't matter or anything, obviously, or that it's an issue that blacks don't take seriously or shouldn't, etc etc etc. It's just that it's extremist behavior that can't be reconciled with centrists. It is what it is, let's go ahead and take the political correct mask off and talk about it.

To add on the trans thing, as I feel a lot more personally affected by it (having athletic kids), trans girls who are biological boys/men should do the honorable thing, and not compete. I've said it for years. That doesn't mean they should be denied their gender expression, in my view, or even pronouns even though I internally consider it somewhat bull . I respect other people. Demanding you play in girls sports with the bio advantage is the opposite of respect.

[ElNono]

I have daughters, and don't agree with the trans kids in locker rooms either. It needs to be realized that even though trans people should have rights, there's plenty of people who are independent who don't like it. Why would I want my daughters to work their ass off in sports only for boys masquerading as girls to come in and overwhelm them with their biological advantage? It doesn't just radicalize republicans into voting, it turns off a huge portion of independents too, obviously. Same goes with BLM. No one was buying it was a bunch of peaceful protests, even if it there were plenty that were. It was wildin' in the name of being black plenty of times. Not saying black lives don't matter or anything, obviously, or that it's an issue that blacks don't take seriously or shouldn't, etc etc etc. It's just that it's extremist behavior that can't be reconciled with centrists. It is what it is, let's go ahead and take the political correct mask off and talk about it.

To add on the trans thing, as I feel a lot more personally affected by it (having athletic kids), trans girls who are biological boys/men should do the honorable thing, and not compete. I've said it for years. That doesn't mean they should be denied their gender expression, in my view, or even pronouns even though I internally consider it somewhat bull . I respect other people. Demanding you play in girls sports with the bio advantage is the opposite of respect.

I mean, I think these types of issues are more on the margins, and focusing on them is just not really what moves the needle. Dems could simply stop talking about it.

But this is the problem when you don't actually test your message and there's a disconnect between what you think people want/need and what they actually want/need.

[koriwhat]

we’re an ultra far right country

Far from it. You've just been programmed to think as such.

Same programming having you claim giving power back to the states, where it rightfully belongs, and not in the hands of bigFed is wrong.

Come on z0sa... SMH

The fact she was essentially installed as the candidate

You could just be truthful and drop the "essentially" already. Commies will do what commies do.

Ultimately, the majority of voters in this country DGAF about like democracy

The entirety of the Democratic Party, tbh. Do you never self-reflect and look inside? You keep talking about democracy but overlook the destruction of such by installing a candidate that never got a vote to run in the first place. How out of touch are you regressives?

"Our Democracy" is the cry of communists who don't believe in democracy, let alone our Republic. They believe in tearing it all down and installing their own form of democracy, whatever that would look like, just like they installed Kamala. Give me a damn break already with this nonsense!

Democrats need a strong man of their own

They'll never find one in that party because unicorns don't exist.

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bull has to ing go.

That's not very inclusive and tolerant of you...

[spurraider21]

1) i think the most important thing was not having a primary

if biden was going to step down, he should have done so a long time ago. kamala was not popular during the 2020 primary, and i dont think she would have won it this time around. it was the dems' chance to try to avoid the stink of inflation (even if attributing most of the inflation to biden is technically incorrect, thats not how it will resonate with voters) by distancing themselves somewhat from the biden admin.

2) the biden admin also did a piss poor job of defending itself. should have been way more press conferences bragging about every accomplishment. trump would go on every day and brag about stock market numbers. almost every day. instead of vaguely gesturing at the infrastructure bill, get out there and do press conference after press conference in front of shovels going into the ground and men in construction helmets/vests.

yes, the actual economic indicators and data were favorable to the biden admin, but you need to hammer that home more visually than just expecting americans to go look at charts and feel convinced.

3) the other thing is all these trump cabinet members, chiefs of staff, and generals who werent supporting him should have been more vocal. pence should have been courted to explain why trump was a danger. this is different from getting people like Liz Cheney as an appeal to dem voters. you needed people to say "i saw trump first hand on a daily basis and the man is a legitimate threat", needed them to say it loud, and often. people had to point to quotes in books instead. its just not effective messaging in today's day and age

4) otherwise i dont know how you can really compete in an environment where "theyre eating our dogs and cats" is a more compelling message than "i want to bring the cost of home ownership down"

bonus 5) lol at all the people online who have their own version of "if kamala more enthusiastically supported these policies that i personally support, she would have won". policy did not decide this election. nobody is going to enjoy 200% tariffs or whatever

[Spurminator]

The lesson here is if you're about to enter a period of inflation and economic turmoil because of the actions of the sitting president, and there's nothing you can do to immediately and visibly improve the economy, punt until the next election and let them answer to the low information voters instead.

Also don't run a black man for senator in Texas. Democrats are the Dallas Cowboys of political parties.

[vy65]

I mean, I think these types of issues are more on the margins, and focusing on them is just not really what moves the needle. Dems could simply stop talking about it.

But this is the problem when you don't actually test your message and there's a disconnect between what you think people want/need and what they actually want/need.

[vy65]

That's not very inclusive and tolerant of you...

Who said I was Joey?

[z0sa]

Far from it. You've just been programmed to think as such.

Same programming having you claim giving power back to the states, where it rightfully belongs, and not in the hands of bigFed is wrong.

Come on z0sa... SMH

Brother, it's just a matter of looking at all countries as a whole, not an indictment of your views.

If you look at all of these other countries and put the USA in among them, our culture is far right. It's not an indictment, again. It's just how the world nowadays is. Every other major country has like free tuition, free healthcare at the point of contact, extremely restrictive gun control laws. If you're literally the opposite of every other major country, that can't be a centrist position. It's just looking at data and interpreting it.

You could just be truthful and drop the "essentially" already. Commies will do what commies do.

Eh, it's splitting hairs to want to knock off essentially. There was a convention and the delegates had a chance to cast votes for whomever they liked, so it's not like one person installed her. However, it's fair to say she essentially was installed as the group of delegates opted to vote in a very decided way. Again, I think you're just splitting hairs for no reason, dude. The admission is there in the form I believe, take it or leave it man.

The entirety of the Democratic Party, tbh. Do you never self-reflect and look inside? You keep talking about democracy but overlook the destruction of such by installing a candidate that never got a vote to run in the first place. How out of touch are you regressives?

I called it as much, bro. Trump did incite an insurrection, Trump did sue 60+ times and lost every one about the election being stolen. He wanted it bad, lied about it a ton, never happened. You got to win now and I see you don't think any voter fraud happened, clearly. What changed? If Democrats could fix elections, why didn't they fix it for her again? There's no good answer for that. In fact, Trump's numbers look exactly the same, maybe a little less. It's clear Harris was just a worse candidate, while Biden was considered better. The fraud, the cheating, the lies, it didn't matter in the end so what does it matter to you, now.

[koriwhat]

I have daughters, and don't agree with the trans kids in locker rooms either. It needs to be realized that even though trans people should have rights, there's plenty of people who are independent who don't like it. Why would I want my daughters to work their ass off in sports only for boys masquerading as girls to come in and overwhelm them with their biological advantage? It doesn't just radicalize republicans into voting, it turns off a huge portion of independents too, obviously. Same goes with BLM. No one was buying it was a bunch of peaceful protests, even if it there were plenty that were. It was wildin' in the name of being black plenty of times. Not saying black lives don't matter or anything, obviously, or that it's an issue that blacks don't take seriously or shouldn't, etc etc etc. It's just that it's extremist behavior that can't be reconciled with centrists. It is what it is, let's go ahead and take the political correct mask off and talk about it.

To add on the trans thing, as I feel a lot more personally affected by it (having athletic kids), trans girls who are biological boys/men should do the honorable thing, and not compete. I've said it for years. That doesn't mean they should be denied their gender expression, in my view, or even pronouns even though I internally consider it somewhat bull . I respect other people. Demanding you play in girls sports with the bio advantage is the opposite of respect.

Where was this line of thinking prior to Election Night?

This doesn't pertain to you personally z0sa, but calling me and others, not just on this board, far right, misogynists, racists, phobes, transphobes, etc is what cost yall the election. Yall are out of touch and anyone not in the death cult is your enemy. I see none of yall regressives as enemies. However, I am disappointed in how far yall are willing to move the Overton window with policy, or none to speak of, cultural degradation, no common sense or logic, hate masqueraded as love and tolerance, and much much more.

Keep calling those you disagree with deplorable and Trumpers. Watch how many more of us old school Liberals walk the away and vote against the death cult.

[SnakeBoy]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last

[Tyronn Lue]

Real simple. Harris was the wrong candidate. She did not excite the base. There's only so far "not Trump" will get you.

[koriwhat]

You got to win now and I see you don't think any voter fraud happened, clearly. What changed?

Who said I thought there was no fraud? I saw plenty of articles in the days leading up to yesterday talking about machine malfunctions, burned up ballot boxes, thrown away ballots, intimidation at the polls, etc...

I never said anything about fraud to begin with.

[hater]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last

Yeah agree

They are somewhere at stages of shock and denial


The rage stage is incoming

[spurraider21]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last

we should start several threads about voter fraud and tick tock

[spurraider21]

Where was this line of thinking prior to Election Night?

This doesn't pertain to you personally z0sa, but calling me and others, not just on this board, far right, misogynists, racists, phobes, transphobes, etc is what cost yall the election. Yall are out of touch and anyone not in the death cult is your enemy. I see none of yall regressives as enemies. However, I am disappointed in how far yall are willing to move the Overton window with policy, or none to speak of, cultural degradation, no common sense or logic, hate masqueraded as love and tolerance, and much much more.

Keep calling those you disagree with deplorable and Trumpers. Watch how many more of us old school Liberals walk the away and vote against the death cult.

the blm stuff happened before the 2020 election. theres no reason to discuss it relating to the 2024 election

[ElNono]

we should start several threads about voter fraud and tick tock

bruh, are you storming the capitol?

[florige]

There's your problem; the way you see certain demos of this nation. You're no different than the rest of the racist regressive whites.

I’m not white bro, Black

[z0sa]

Where was this line of thinking prior to Election Night?

This doesn't pertain to you personally z0sa, but calling me and others, not just on this board, far right, misogynists, racists, phobes, transphobes, etc is what cost yall the election. Yall are out of touch and anyone not in the death cult is your enemy. I see none of yall regressives as enemies. However, I am disappointed in how far yall are willing to move the Overton window with policy, or none to speak of, cultural degradation, no common sense or logic, hate masqueraded as love and tolerance, and much much more.

Keep calling those you disagree with deplorable and Trumpers. Watch how many more of us old school Liberals walk the away and vote against the death cult.

I agree that calling people garbage, deplorables etc just turns them off, because both parties are big tents and there's no way independents subscribe to everyone of your beliefs, especially on the most divisive issues like trans and LGBT stuff. It's clear that this country as a whole is a lot more on the conservative end of the spectrum about such things, including Hispanic and Black voters.

I made concessions, hard ones, to lean left in this election because I think trans rights is an issue that is fringe and affects very few people, while saying things (even hyperbolically) like Liz Cheney should be put in front of a firing squad is not just excessive, but far more dangerous. Far more dangerous than trans rights, that is. In reality, that's a principle that simply didn't take with most of the electorate. I'm changing, and quickly, because clearly such principles aren't important anymore. Iden y politics are waning, and people here in the USA would rather lean into a strong man who has answers, however crazy they may sound to the left. That's this country now and going forward for the foreseeable future. Time to stop acting holier than thou and play the game is a fact - Democrats are staring straight down that barrel whether they want to or not.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah agree

They are somewhere at stages of shock and denial


The rage stage is incoming

I'm hoping Clarence and Alito announce they're retiring. That'll really send 'em over the edge

[Tyronn Lue]

bruh, are you storming the capitol?

Stop the Steal

[koriwhat]

the blm stuff happened before the 2020 election. theres no reason to discuss it relating to the 2024 election

I was simply asking, even then, where's the logic/common sense? Doesn't have to pertain to Election 2024. Same goes for most things bought hook, line, and sinker by the regressive left.

[SnakeBoy]

we should start several threads about voter fraud and tick tock

Nah, bring back the pussy hat marches

[florige]

The lesson here is if you're about to enter a period of inflation and economic turmoil because of the actions of the sitting president, and there's nothing you can do to immediately and visibly improve the economy, punt until the next election and let them answer to the low information voters instead.

Also don't run a black man for senator in Texas. Democrats are the Dallas Cowboys of political parties.

This! Biden winning was probably the worst thing that could have happened as stupid as that sounds. But here again the Dems are so terrible at messaging. Her messaging sucked bad

[vy65]

I agree that calling people garbage, deplorables etc just turns them off, because both parties are big tents and there's no way independents subscribe to everyone of your beliefs, especially on the most divisive issues like trans and LGBT stuff. It's clear that this country as a whole is a lot more on the conservative end of the spectrum about such things, including Hispanic and Black voters.

I made concessions, hard ones, to lean left in this election because I think trans rights is an issue that is fringe and affects very few people, while saying things (even hyperbolically) like Liz Cheney should be put in front of a firing squad is not just excessive, but far more dangerous. Far more dangerous than trans rights, that is. In reality, that's a principle that simply didn't take with most of the electorate. I'm changing, and quickly, because clearly such principles aren't important anymore. Iden y politics are waning, and people here in the USA would rather lean into a strong man who has answers, however crazy they may sound to the left. That's this country now and going forward for the foreseeable future. Time to stop acting holier than thou and play the game is a fact - Democrats are staring straight down that barrel whether they want to or not.

You saw glimmers of it during parts of Harris's campaign until it kind of fell apart. Appealing to union workers; offering financial assistance for home buyers; lowering taxes on the lower brackets, etc... That focus should be the backbone of a campaign: concrete policies that appeal to voters financial interests. Yes, discussing policy is going to go over the heads of mouthbreathers in Alabama. But having cogent policies that can tangibly improve voters' financial conditions should win out the rantings of inflation coming from a convicted felon. But thinking more about it, Harris just was a horrible pick during an election where there was a sharp shift to the right. Occam's razor and all that.